Why GND has the most low potential of a circuit ?

Hello
I am a beginner with Arduino and with the electronics.

I learn basics concepts of electronics and I don't understand why GND should be the most low potential of a circuits.
Because in most lessons we learn that GND is like the negative terminal in an electric battery, and physically the negative terminal is where we have the most electrical potential, because the zinc in electric battery "has more electrons" than copper and this fact create the difference in potential. So why GND is compared to the negative terminal while he has the most low potential of a circuits ?

I am ok that the fact that we can have negative voltage when we measure the voltage, but if the GND is the most low potential of the circuit, the difference in potential will always be negative...

I think I don't understand the concept of the difference in potential...

Thanks to everyone who will help me :slight_smile:

  1. Ground is a reference point with respect to which you make your other measurement and a return path for current.

You can set any voltage to be ground, it just happens to work better and be more convenient as the 0 potential.

  1. Ground is not necessarily the lowest potential:

a. when you have dual voltage supply (lets say +/-12V) - the -12V would have the lowest potential
b. you can have a positive ground - this was done in early UK cars (with a few issues it caused)

Hello and welcome.

Very good question, and one I considered including in this Common ground and why you need one - General Electronics - Arduino Forum, but decided it was too far a way form the main point I wanted to cover in that tutorial.

The simple answer is it isn't, or rather it does not have to be. Zero volts, 0V, is an arbitrary point in a circuit as defined by the circuit designer. 0V is usually ground, and if the circuit actually needs to be connected to actual ground (the muddy stuff outside) then it will be 0V that is connected. So the ground outside becomes the reference. 0V is the point in the circuit that all other voltages are measured against, unless specifically specified otherwise. When someone tells you "there is 15V at this point in the circuit" they mean 15V between the point specified and 0V (ground).

In most circuits 0V is the negative pole of the battery / supply, this is just for convenience in most cases because people find it easier to think in terms of positive voltages. However, it is not always so, in my industry, telecoms, 0V is the positive pole of the supply, telephone exchanges run on -50V or -60V. The positive of the supply is connected to the muddy stuff by a big metal electrode in the ground. My understanding is that this way around was chosen as it minimises corrosion on the electrode. Unfortunately, while I understand basic chemistry I have forgotten a lot of it so I can't explain more. 40 years ago I could probably have explained this in great detail.

An analogy is sea level. Some places have negative elevation, and of course the sea floor has negative elevation.

But the height of a ladder is probably a better analogy. The "reference" is usually the bottom of the ladder which could be at ground level, or the floor of an apartment on the 10th floor... And the "height" at the top of the ladder could be the height above the apartment floor, the height above ground, or the elevation above sea level, etc. (Usually we're concerned about how far we might fall. :smiley: ) Or a ladder could be in outer space where there is no meaningful relationship to ground or earth.

In many Arduino circuits the ground has no connection/relationship to earth ground or power-line ground, etc. In this case we say the Arduino ground is "floating".

because the zinc in electric battery "has more electrons" than copper and this fact create the difference in potential.

Sometimes we connect to batteries in series and ground the junction between the two batteries. Two 9V batteries connected like that is a quick-and-easy way to get positive & negative voltages for an op-amp circuit.

AC is negative half the time and positive half the time.

PerryBebbington:
The simple answer is it isn't, or rather it does not have to be.

And to add confusion, with many electronic power supplies that feature a current measurement shunt, that one is frequently placed between the GND and it's own generated 0V, so you have a slight potential difference between the GND of the power supply and the GND of the electronics it feeds. The internal GND of the power supply being slightly negative towards its output GND.
Connect the two GNDs together and you bypass the shunt, falsifying the current measurement...

Re,

Sorry for my late responde and Thanks a lot for your answers.

So, If I understand, the GND is the reference point of the circuit to measure voltages on a circuit and the use of the negative terminal of a battery to talk of GND it is just to simplify the thing ?

xiv:
Re,

Sorry for my late responde and Thanks a lot for your answers.

So, If I understand, the GND is the reference point of the circuit to measure voltages on a circuit and the use of the negative terminal of a battery to talk of GND it is just to simplify the thing ?

It is a reference point. Just like if you want to make your home a reference point on a map --- from which other places (distance and angle etc) on the map can be located (in relation to your home location). And ---- if the reference point on the map is changed to a new reference point .... such as somebody else's home, then that's ok too. No matter which reference point you choose to be the 'reference point' (or origin, or zero location) .......... it will still be possible to work with the system.

Circuit diagrams are like that too. You don't necessarily need to choose the reference point on the circuit to be at a negative terminal of a voltage source, or you don't necessarily need to choose the reference point to be at a spot where the largest number of wires (lines or branches) are connected to. But there can be 'benefits' or advantages in choosing a particular point (node) in a circuit to be a reference (GND) point -------- advantage for circuit analysis (for example).

That is - to analyse a circuit, or to design a circuit, some equations involving Ohm's law, Kirchoff's laws etc are used. And a reference point (node) on the circuit is chosen to conveniently do the circuit analysis. And the reference point is generally and arbitrarily assigned to be zero volt (for convenience). It doesn't have to be assigned 0 volt though. But is usually convenient to be assigned to 0 volt. And we can just give this reference point a name ----- eg. GND.

Also ----- dual polarity circuits (with +Vcc and -Vcc supplies) often have the GND 'assigned' to be half-way between +Vcc and -Vcc, which is 0 volt. And when the two identical voltage supplies are connected up in regular 'series' fashion, with the GND ('zero' voltage) point is arbitrarily assigned to be half-way between +Vcc and -Vcc .......... it will turn out that the lowest voltage potential will not be 0 volt. Instead, the lowest potential in that particular circuit (with that selected GND point) would be **-**Vcc.

And also ----- on a circuit diagram, the GND node is often assigned a symbol ---- just so that we can identify that node. And people often use the earth symbol for that. The earth symbol can just be treated as a symbol. It does NOT mean that current or power flows into that symbol. In general, after using the symbol to identify that GND symbol (label) ....... just treat that symbol like an open circuit (infinite resistance, infinite impedance) ..... or pretend that it's not even there (even though it is there for identification) for circuit analysis purposes.

We also keep in mind that some circuits incorporate electrical safety systems that involve GND as part of the electrical safety circuitry. But can always read up on that sort of thing later (eg. google 'ground and electrical safety').

In the two circuits below ....... the GND node has just been assigned to different nodes. But - as mentioned, for circuit analysis, the voltage difference across the 1000 ohm resistor is still going to be 24 volt. And the circuit analysis result will provide consistently the current flowing through the resistor (with the arrow providing a reference direction too) being 0.024 A.

Note ---- in the left-hand circuit, the lowest voltage in that circuit will be -12 volt relative to GND. And in the right-hand circuit, the lowest voltage in that circuit will be 0 volt (relative to GND). And 'GND' is very typically assigned a voltage of zero volt. That is, the voltage of 'GND' relative to ITSELF is zero volt.

Ok, so to analysis a circuit it's more convenient to choose the GND as reference point.

A last question and I finished promised.

In this circuit:

The current start at point 1 with say an electrical potential of 5V and end to the GND with an electrical potential of 2V , so the difference in potential is expressed like this: 5 - 2 = 3V ?

If you are saying the voltage across the resistor is the supply voltage minus the LED voltage then YES.

The sum of all the ‘voltage drops’ in a circuit must equal the supply voltage.

xiv:
A last question and I finished promised.

In this circuit:

Make sure to also understand that an LED has some known behaviours - important for circuit analysis. If an LED is operating (that is lit up and working normally, and the circuit that is driving the LED is configured properly), then the LED will have more or less a particular value of constant voltage across it (referring to DIODES) ...... such as 1.5 volt. What that 'more-or-less' constant/fixed voltage is ----- will depend on what sort of LED it is.

In the electronics world there is no such thing a "ground". In my mind it should be called "common". That being said...

Existing convention is: a battery + terminal = positive and the - terminal = negative. I believe this is created based on current flow long before we understood electron flow.

Remember all voltages in a system are relative to another part of the circuit. Some very old vehicles grounded the positive of the battery. So in these care the positive was "ground"

JohnRob:
In the electronics world there is no such thing a "ground".

Then what is the 1.5 meter copper clad rod driven into the dirt outside my window for?

Also ----- for the OP ------ check this out too ..... ([u]link[/u])

aarg:
Then what is the 1.5 meter copper clad rod driven into the dirt outside my window for?

That's the earth line. In electronics ground and earth are two separate things.

Then what is the 1.5 meter copper clad rod driven into the dirt outside my window for?

The actual answer is to keep the mains power from the utility pole from "drifting" to the 5kv or 15 kv of the supply lines. Because the mains to your home/business is supplied through a transformer it is safer to connect one side of the main earth ground to keep the voltage on the "neutral" side at the same potential as your plumbing, swimming pool etc.

and as RIN67630 said.

Also know that earth ground is not an absolute. If you had a voltmeter with 1km leads you would find "earth ground" to be different 1 km away. That is unless you are in the middle of no where, then I can't say.

Also know that earth ground is not an absolute. If you had a voltmeter with 1km leads you would find "earth ground" to be different 1 km away.

You can do this if you have a phone line and you are not near the exchange. One leg of a phone line will be at earth potential if the phone is not in use. Earth potential in this case being the earth at the exchange, not at your premises. You can measure the voltage between your local earth and the earth leg of your idle phone line.

You soon won't be able to do this as copper phone lines are being replaced by fibre.

OK,
thanks a lot of for answers, you helped me a lot.
I think I most understand GND :slight_smile:

You're most welcome xiv. It was good that you asked.

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