Selecting the correct flyback diode

Note:
There is a bug in the below schematic regarding the reset pins of the NE556. See post#16.

The question is which parameters of a diode I must look at to decide if it's suitable or not for use as a flyback diode?

Below is the preliminary schematic that I'm designing.

The MOSFETs drive the coils of a model railway turnout. I'm using 12V and the coil resistance is 4.5 Ohm. NE556 configured as oneshots with a pulse of approximately 500 ms.

It's my understanding that I should use a diode rated for roughly double the coil current; this would include a safety margin). And the higher the voltage the better.

Looking at the datasheet of e.g. the 1N4001 (e.g. https://www.vishay.com/docs/88503/1n4001.pdf) I see three currents mentioned (IF and 2x IFSM) and I'm not sure which one is relevant. Please advise; if the 1N400x is not suitable, which one would be?

Thanks in advance.

The IF would be the "continuous" rating when you're using it as a rectifier.

As a flyback diode, you're just using it to clamp the flyback pulse - so you need to look at the Non-repetitive peak forward surge value

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Rectifier diodes can have slow turn-on times, resulting in high voltage spikes. In your application the single (non repetitive) pulse peak current applies, as @awneil pointed out. Otherwise, do you apply the same current safety factor for the switching MOSFET?
The reverse voltage can not be higher than the supply voltage, no need for "the higher the better" - again see turn-on times.

The 1N400x series is quite robust. Use the model which you have at hand or use frequently.

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Thanks people. I have none at hand so I am free from that perspective.

It brings the next question :wink:

IFSM is specified for 3 different pulse widths; the longer the pulse, the lower the maximum current. The pulse width of the circuit is approximately 500 ms; "interpolating" would possibly result in a IFSM close to 1A. So maybe the pulse width is not the pulse width that I apply but the pulse width when the FET goes from on to off (though I think that that would not be a nice square wave).

It's rated 30A; safety margin 10x :smiley: But those I have in stock and that is why I picked it.

I learned on this forum that the "slow" rectifier diode 1N400x can perfectly be used as a fly-back diode. It is not suitable for high frequency applications but it does not allow that the forward voltage gets high. It is not possible to give it a peak of 20V and that 20V lingers sometime before it starts to conducting in forward direction, luckily it does not work like that.

A Google search on "flyback diode calculator" yields some interesting result or at least identifies the issues to consider.

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Indeed not - the pulse that you apply will have the diode reverse biased.

The pulse in question is the "flyback" pulse when the drive turns off.

Indeed.

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See time slot 7:55 and on.

Both statements are wrong.
Max reverse voltage across the diode is no more than the power supply voltage.
Turn-on time of different diodes is about the same, and usually not listed in the datasheet.

Turn-off time can be very different.
It could be wise to use a faster (Schottky) diode if PWM is involved.
The 1N4148 , 1N4004, 1N5819 are my general purpose diodes for low voltage.
Leo..

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@sterretje I gots to know…

what is going on with the cross-coupled inverters in the upper right hand corner of the schematic?

a7

Good question.
Can't join inverter outputs like that (1B and 1C, etc).
Leo..

Use NAND gates instead to build a RS-FF.

Or… maybe you can just use inverters

Plausible, won't say I like it but it's not my department.

a7

Note in advance: this is still design, I'll still have to buy the components.

It's supposed to be a SR flipflop. I do not know if it works but it's a try. I have 4 gates spare so I'm trying not to waste them :wink:

Ah, a confirmation that it might work. And I thought that I invented the wheel :frowning_face:

They are 74HC05, so open-drain outputs. That part will work.

Probably put in some resistors like they did to limit current draw. :wink:

There was definitely a bug in the schematic in the opening post; the reset pins of the NE556 should have been connected to 5V an not to the trigger pins.

I think that I've found a purpose for the two remaining gates of the 74HC05. In the below design they will (or are supposed to) prevent both FET outputs being active at the same time; this will make it a little more idiot-proof.

I think it's time to buy the components and start building a prototype.

Updated schematic:

The 4069 in that design has totem pole outputs, not open drain. I will let you know when the smoke comes out :smiley:

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Please do it'll look impressive. :smile:

Your RS Flip flop will run like crazy at top speed , no little Caps to slow it down a bit.

Unless I got my marbles mixed the 2 inverters will not oscillate .