Soldering problem

I've got a standard 1602 LCD display which works fine but I cannot solder the pin headers on. I wouldn't class myself as a novice at soldering but I am having real problems here. The solder seems averse to the pin headers to such an extent that a molten globule of solder will run round and round the pin but not stick to it. Even after stroking the solder across the pin, when it hardens it is like a vortex with the solder pushed out away from the pin leaving a cup shape around the pin.

What on earth is going on here?

I cannot get a reliable connection to my 1602, I've always got a problem joint somewhere. I've never experienced anything like this before. I've resorted to ordering some solderless pin headers, but I'd really like to know what is going on. The solder is old, can it go bad? The soldering iron is old but I've cleaned the head with steel wool and it heats the solder OK.

caph:
I've cleaned the head with steel wool

I don't think that's a good idea, with steel wool you remove an important layer which helps to solder properly.

Do you have solder paste?

Beside that, what matters is not the pin header, instead is the pad around the pin. The solder will stick to the pad if the pad has solder layer.

Solder can get old, it will be harder to solder but certainly not impossible.

I'm suspecting the pin doesn't get heated well enough.
Is the pin to be soldered held by some grips or something ?

Solder the first and the last pin first, while these are not in touch with anything that can take the heat away.
After that the header is fixed and you do not need to use grips or anything else to keep it in place.
Now you can solder all pins, while they are in contact with the pad, the iron and the solder and nothing else.
Heat both the pad and the pin while soldering, and make sure the solder flows nicely.

Lead free solder is harder to handle, so you'll be better off using conventional solder (with resin core).

What solder are you using, its important.
What soldering temp.
Also what is the finish on the pin headers and how old are they.

mas3 mentioned temperature, that would be my guess too.
if old or possibly newer rohas components it sometimes difficult to wet the pins.
old solder gives me little problems if I use a flux pen generally.
can you retin the pins on their own ?
if not try a higher temperature.

y.

MAS3:
Lead free solder is harder to handle.

Not if the iron's at the right temperature. Always use the tin/copper/silver stuff,
not the tin/copper (which cannot be reworked readily - unless you have the stuff
with 0.1 nickel, I think)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Lead-free_solder

We had a thread about this recently.
With lead free too hot can be as bad as too cold, temp control iron is a must.

I have a porrerton suprima boiler,which now needs its 4 th replacement pcb.
Common problem with those boilers.
Soldering problems every time, rework fixes it.
Rohas solder load of xxx.

The pins themselves may be corroded. I'd take them out and maybe run an pink eraser across them.

This kind has a little abrasive in it, unlike the white erasers. You only want a little abrasive.

No Clean liquid flux is a good idea, especially if you are using lead-free solder. Do NOT use paste solder, that stuff is meant for plumbing and has very active acid flux.

Hi,
Used and soldered lots of LCDs and I use pin headers and sockets to stack PCB's on top of each other! Is your iron nice and hot? is it tinned? A fine rosin cored solder is best! Remember soldering bit on pin and pad. Apply solder to pin/pad when their HOT (not to the iron, that's where the blobs come from). Make sure the pins and pads are nice and bright and new looking, corrosion never makes a good joint!! Lead free does'nt seem to be a problem, just needs more heat! 320+

Hope it helps.

Regards

Mel.

Cactusface:
Lead free does'nt seem to be a problem, just needs more heat! 320+

oF, oC or oK?

Hi Henry,
Your in the UK like me, so we only use C? don't we? Yes I used F in the 1960's, but then I also use Feet and inches, and gallons. Now I've changed with the times.

Regards

Mel.

At last a real use of a Pink Pearl eraser! They're certainly bloody useless at rubbing out pencil on paper, that's for sure. Pink Smudge, more like.

"Ink" erasers work best.... with some care they are also good for cleaning certain types of connectors.

Doc

Try turning your iron temperature up (maybe around 750deg), and make sure that you are actually heating the pin up and not just the solder. That means pressing the soldering iron tip to the pin and holding it there long enough that the pin heats up to a high enough temperature for the solder to flow onto it.

I used to have the same problem when soldering large electrolytic capacitors or very low gauge wires (e.g. 14AWG and lower). If you think about it, large capacitors have a lot of metal inside of them connected to their pins, which acts as a heat-sink and takes heat from the pins and prevents them from heating up enough for solder to flow/stick. Same thing with low gauge wire... its really thick metal which carries the heat away from where you are trying to apply the solder. I'd try to apply solder to these things at 650deg, and the solder would just not flow/stick to the pin/wire. Once you turn up the temperature and hold it to the pin/wire long enough, the pin finally heats up to the right temperature and the solder will flow and stick.

In your case, these pins could be hooked up to large capacitors, large planes in the PCB, etc. So try turning that temp up and getting that pin hot. I also find that flux paste and high gauge (0.022") solder helps as well in these situations.

No! And again, NO! Might as well use sandpaper. I've had to repair a lot of connectors in arcade games that others have "cleaned" with ink erasers, and taken all traces of plating off, down to the copper.

Even pink erasers are a bit abrasive, and should not be used on gold plated contacts.

Docedison:
"Ink" erasers work best.... with some care they are also good for cleaning certain types of connectors.

caph:
I've got a standard 1602 LCD display which works fine but I cannot solder the pin headers on.

As others have noted, it does seem like you aren't getting the pin hot enough for the solder to wet the surface of the pin and "stick" properly. There could also be a problem (again, as others have noted) if the pin headers are tinned for non-leaded solder; trying to use leaded solder on such pins can be very difficult (or impossible, unless your iron gets hot enough for the non-leaded solder to melt, which has a higher melting temperature than leaded solder).

Something that might help would be knowing the specs of the header pins (if you know them); unfortunately, if you got this LCD as an unassembled "kit", it might be impossible to know or find out. Do the pins look tinned? If they are a dull silver color, they might be (better would be to look at them under a low-power microscope - tinned pins will look rougher than plated pins). If they are gold colored, then they aren't likely to be tinned.

So - back to getting enough heat: What I've found while soldering (these past 20+ years) is that if you tin the tip of your iron, then apply a tiny blob of solder to the iron, you can use that blob to heat things up faster. Press the blob (and tip of the iron too!) against the lead and the pad; when the temp of both is up properly, the blob will flow and stick to the pad and lead - at that point immediately add more solder (keep the solder near the tip while you wait - for small leads and such, with a hot iron, it should only take a couple of seconds to heat up max before you need to add the solder). When you have enough solder, move on to the next pin (whatever "next pin" means in your soldering situation). If you do this right, when you pull the iron away you'll still have a bit-o-blob attached, and you can somewhat rapidly jump from point to point soldering quickly.

If you stop - you might find the solder "oxidise" and burn out all the rosin (it stops smoking); at that point, clean your tip (a pure brass or copper "sponge" works best - in the "old days" we used a damp sponge, but this is frowned on now because it cools the iron down - meaning it needs to get back up to temp first before continuing using it - and it degrades the tip); never use sandpaper if you can avoid it; sometimes you might need to - in that case, immediately tin the tip and keep it tinned. While it is true that soldering irons do have a "special coating" (nickle over copper or something like that), and stripping it will cause the tip to degrade quicker, it isn't like it's going to fall apart immediately. Tips are cheap, too (unless it's an integrated cartridge heater and tip - those are pricey). And never use a soldering iron for anything but soldering, like "cutting" plastic or such - if you do, dedicate that soldering iron to that purpose, and don't use it for anything else).

Finally - regarding temperature controlled irons: I like them - they heat up quickly, maintain a constant set temperature - but they aren't absolutely needed for proper soldering. I learned on an el-cheapo 30 watt worse-than-radio-shack iron; I still have that iron. The tip looks like hell from it's constant use and abuse. It's probably been sanded and/or filed once or twice. I keep the tip tinned, though, and it still works great. The key is proper tinning, keeping that small blob on the end, and quick/deft handling of the soldering iron to do that "point-to-point" solder jumping. Because it runs hotter than smaller irons, it maintains that heat well, but on small parts this can be a problem - you might apply too much heat to the joint. Just move quicker - that's your temperature control.

I really think I need to make a video of myself using it to solder on a PCB, just to show that it isn't the tool (though they are, again, nice to have and use) - but the person using it, and their application and practice of the skills.

:slight_smile:

Cactusface:
Hi Henry,
Your in the UK like me, so we only use C? don't we? Yes I used F in the 1960's, but then I also use Feet and inches, and gallons. Now I've changed with the times.

Regards

Mel.

Likewise, but our American cousins still use oF and, without giving units, it can be confusing.

Thanks for all the replies. I really think that the common theme of my soldering iron not being hot enough is probably the underlying cause. It can melt solder in under a second, but if I try and heat the pin and push the solder on to it, then it just won't melt. Maybe time to upgrade my cheap as chips soldering iron.

I got a set of solderless pin headers and tapped them home. I can now rock the LCD back and forth, left and right, without any problems. I guess the moral is if you want a solid connection, go solderless.

Thanks to everyone who pointed out that the coating on a soldering iron is purely to preserve the life of the tip and has nothing whatsoever to do with heat transfer - if anything it hinders heat transfer.