Hi, i want to see if its possible to make a tiny plane/drone out of a pizza box(or any box) and a tiny motor like
this (maybe 2-4 of them) + a cheap radio module for communicating with it!?
if not i have no other choice than using an brushless, saw them working with arduino on net!
Im not planning on using a whole arduino board, just an atmega or attiny!
Yes it is possible, but the first thing you must decide is whether you are going to make a 'plane or a multirotor as the design considerations are very different both from the aerodynamic and control perspective. For instance, you can make a 'plane largely self stable with no electronics but that is not the case with a multirotor which would need gyros and/or accelerometers.
How much thrust does that motor/prop produce ?
How much current does it consume and at what voltage ?
How do you intend to supply the voltage ?
First thing is to make a functioning plane with whatever motors and batteries.
When you have got that far you could think about the Arduino side of things.
These tiny Deltang receivers are not cheap but they contain an Atmega 328, a 2.4GHz transceiver and a h-bridge for motor control. They can work with a standard Spektrum transmitter but could also be reprogrammed as an Arduino device. I have done that for model train radio control.
I have no connection with Deltang other than as a satisfied customer.
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to make the plane with an Arduino, I would use the UNO. you can drive the axis of a CNC machine to cut out the boxes and card board.
however, if you want to automate/control a plane.... then you post makes more sense.
spend some time learning about aeronautics. there are basically 4 forces that act in pairs. thrust and drag is the one that appears to mostly be addressing the motor, but that is not completely correct.
the second pair, lift and gravity. have a lot more to do with motor selection.
if you can make an ultra-light plane, one that can be tossed around with a slight breeze, AND has good lift characteristics, then a tiny motor can power it.
my mini quad copter has what looks like 4 of those motors and is quite heavy, like a pack of cigarettes.
look into gliders, they take lift and design to an extreme and with a tiny motor, they can stay aloft for incredible amounts of time.
A Robin2 was saying, there are more and more chips that are specific function, but have a few 'extra' I/O pins that you can use. an airplane might use 4 outputs, pitch, yaw, roll and motor speed.
you might find a toy plane that is light enough to allow you to add the motor and battery and such.
UKHeliBob:
Yes it is possible, but the first thing you must decide is whether you are going to make a 'plane or a multirotor as the design considerations are very different both from the aerodynamic and control perspective. For instance, you can make a 'plane largely self stable with no electronics but that is not the case with a multirotor which would need gyros and/or accelerometers.How much thrust does that motor/prop produce ?
How much current does it consume and at what voltage ?
How do you intend to supply the voltage ?
How much thrust does that motor/prop produce ?
the problem is i don't know, so im not sure if a single one will make a plane or if even 4 of them can lift the uno alone
How much current does it consume and at what voltage ?
my plane or my motors?! im actually seeing if its possible first, than consider chosing parts etc,
How do you intend to supply the voltage ?
I got a Lipo battery i and maybe an boost converter for the Atmega if i don't make it run on 3.3v!
also i think im gonna use zigbee or nrf+ because my radio module is just terrible!
dave-in-nj:
to make the plane with an Arduino, I would use the UNO. you can drive the axis of a CNC machine to cut out the boxes and card board.however, if you want to automate/control a plane.... then you post makes more sense.
spend some time learning about aeronautics. there are basically 4 forces that act in pairs. thrust and drag is the one that appears to mostly be addressing the motor, but that is not completely correct.
the second pair, lift and gravity. have a lot more to do with motor selection.
if you can make an ultra-light plane, one that can be tossed around with a slight breeze, AND has good lift characteristics, then a tiny motor can power it.
my mini quad copter has what looks like 4 of those motors and is quite heavy, like a pack of cigarettes.
look into gliders, they take lift and design to an extreme and with a tiny motor, they can stay aloft for incredible amounts of time.
A Robin2 was saying, there are more and more chips that are specific function, but have a few 'extra' I/O pins that you can use. an airplane might use 4 outputs, pitch, yaw, roll and motor speed.
you might find a toy plane that is light enough to allow you to add the motor and battery and such.
sounds like its a bit more complicated than i thought!
Is An atmega a good choice for it?! if not what would you recommend for a beginner like me!?! i actually want to make a smart quadricopter when i get good at RC planes and Quadricopters etc! so arduino sounded like an good option!
i was going to make a stupid little plane first than start to make better stuff, but sounds like i better give up 
becasue its expensive and i don't really have accesses to many parts, unless i want to make an Brushless motor plane!
the problem is i don't know, so im not sure if a single one will make a plane or if even 4 of them can lift the uno alone
It, or even 4 of them will categorically not lift a Uno and battery.
How much current does it consume and at what voltage ?
my plane or my motors?! im actually seeing if its possible first, than consider chosing parts etc,
Cart before horse here. Part of knowing if is possible is knowing the motor voltage current consumption.
Is An atmega a good choice for it?
Did you look at the Deltang link I posted earlier. If you want to control a fixed wing plane I think those devices will have all the electronics you need (wireless, MCU and h-bridge) in a postage-stamp sized package.
I don't know if they can do quadcoptrers, but it would be worth sending them an email.
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Robin2:
Did you look at the Deltang link I posted earlier. If you want to control a fixed wing plane I think those devices will have all the electronics you need (wireless, MCU and h-bridge) in a postage-stamp sized package.I don't know if they can do quadcoptrers, but it would be worth sending them an email.
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oh sorry! i actually saw that, i think i forgot 
I actually can get any of them in here so, i have to find another way!
UKHeliBob:
It, or even 4 of them will categorically not lift a Uno and battery.
Cart before horse here. Part of knowing if is possible is knowing the motor voltage current consumption.
actually the possibly i was talking about is if the arudino is it self is capable of making any plane/quadricopter 
if if i chose to buy an brushless i have to buy a high voltage lipo and also a charger and i will end up spending like 150$~ for these at least !
actually the possibly i was talking about is if the arudino is it self is capable of making any plane/quadricopter
Originally you were asking about using those tiny motors and props, now you are asking about something else.
The Arduino is capable of helping you control a 'plane or multirotor but you will struggle with those motors. If you are determined to use those motors then I suggest that you forget the idea of using an Arduino.
UKHeliBob:
Originally you were asking about using those tiny motors and props, now you are asking about something else.The Arduino is capable of helping you control a 'plane or multirotor but you will struggle with those motors. If you are determined to use those motors then I suggest that you forget the idea of using an Arduino.
i actually wanted to know both,
So i should use something like ardupilot if i want to program my own Plane or quadricopter, right?!
i better give up 
maybe i can use an Cortex-m3 or something liek this which is available there(those motors were build for this board) CJMCU microquad board - MultiWii
EDIT: i can use something like an raspberry Pi but it would make it heavy(i should make a quadricopter than!
kamhagh:
I actually can get any of them in here so, i have to find another way!
"can" or "cannot" ?
Where is "here" ?
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Robin2:
"can" or "cannot" ?Where is "here" ?
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Sorry i meant "can't" maybe i didn't press the keys hard enough.
and by "here" i mean my country :!
Sorry for my English
kamhagh:
and by "here" i mean my country :!
LOL
WHAT COUNTRY ....... ?
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Robin2:
LOLWHAT COUNTRY ....... ?
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oh, well ! Middle east, I don't think i need to say more ! (Iran)
Welcome, Iran. Now I understand.
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