Peltier : power source

Hi everyone!
So I'm currently using a peltier device in order to cool the air enough so water can be extracted.
I have been powering it with 12V for 8 hours and managed to harvest 10mL (the atmospheric conditions were not great).
No problem you may say, but I realized afterwards that my power source was delivering 12V but could only go up to 3A... so I tried again, and read on it that while powered with 12V, the peltier was using 2.6Amp - which does not match with the informations I read on peltier 12706.
So I ve got a bunch of questions, and I one you will be able to help me :

  1. How can the U = RI law be true ? R = 2ohms, I = 2.6 and yet U = 12V...
  2. How come that my system did work ? Was it dangerous ?
  3. Can the Peltier survive a long time being so "under"powered ?
  4. If I could acces a power source that delivers 7.5V but that can go up to 26Amp, would the cooling be significantly more effucient ?

I have done some searchs on google and saw some graphs where several curbs were plotted with the voltage as y and the temperature difference as x, and that for different currents so I guess it can be done, even though it reduces the efficacity... but I d like to understand better the "how" so I ask advice.

Thank you all for reading this loooong post, and sorry for my english, I am actually a French student^
Have a good evening

A Google search returned this: "Rated voltage: 12V (Vmax. 15V, starting current 5.8A) ". A Peltier device does not follow Ohms law because it is a series of metallic diodes, non-linear.
Peltier device codes tell you the normal operating voltage and current. 12 volts and 6 amps. That is the design voltage and current and use that to get the cooling/heating values the device was designed for.

So if your PSU is limiting current, then it does that be lowering the voltage. Use a PSU that matches the requirements for your Peltier device!

Right. If you have a multimeter you'll probably find that the voltage is dropping. And in any case, you are probably over-stressing the power supply.

I wouldn't say it that way... Ohm's Law is a law of nature (with man-made units-of measure) and it's ALWAYS true.

BUT the non-linearity means that the resistance changes when voltage changes so Ohm's Law is not very useful.

With lower voltage you'll get less current, so less power and less cooling.

It's not a practical or efficient way to get water. :wink: And if you are in a desert, or something like that, the air is usually dry and you probably don't have lots of "extra" electrical power.

It takes a large amount of energy to condense water from water vapor. You need an fan cooled heat sink on the hot side of the Peltier, to protect it from overheating and being destroyed, as well as to maintain the lowest possible temperature on the cold side for effective water condensation.

Example:

No. It is only true for materials with a linear characteristic. That is to say it is only true for certain types of materials.

Take LEDs for example, it is not true at all that the current is linearly proportional to the voltage.

This is something I wrote quite a few years ago.

There seem to be two camps here,

  1. Ohms law is always true.
  2. Ohms law is not always true.

In fact the actual truth is:-
Ohms law is NEVER true

First off think what Ohm was trying to do. He was wanting some way of characterising the voltage / current relationship in a circuit. In other words for a given circuit how many amps per volt characterised the circuit. He did this by saying that "voltage is proportional to current" and anything that is proportional can be made into a equivalence by using a constant of proportionality. Hence
E = kI

Where E is the electro motive force measured in volts, and I is the current measured in Amps. The constant of proportionality k he gave to a constant which was called resistance, but it is just a constant of proportionality.
Where this is fundamentally wrong for ALL materials is that k is not a constant, meaning that resistance is NEVER a constant.

Sure for some materials it is close to a constant but it never is a constant. The truth is that what we call resistance is a function of many things, these things include, but are not exclusively limited to, temperature, voltage, current, frequency, atomic structure, and time.

Let's look at a case where most people think ohms law works. Take a lump of carbon, at low voltages and currents it is constant enough but it has a temperature coefficient, as does most materials. So it is only a constant at a fixed temperature. As you increase the current through it, it heats up and so the resistance changes. Therefore ohms law is not obeyed because the temperature change introduces a deviation from what would have been predicted at a lower current. Sure it is pretty dam good and well good enough for working with electronics, but it is not a fundamental law of physics and it does not hold.

The problem is that all real materials do not have a linear relationship between voltage and current. Take a gas for example, that has a very high resistance for small voltages. As the voltage increases the resistance stays quite constant until it reaches a point where the voltage is sufficient to start to remove electrons from the outer orbits of the gas molecules. This doesn't happen at a single voltage but is spread over a very small range. What happens is the normal thermal energy in the gas is added to the pull by the electric field it is in caused by the voltage. Sometimes this thermal force is in the opposite direction of the electric field and sometimes in the same direction. When it is in the same direction it combines with the electric field to detach an electron. When enough of these events happen electrons can pick up enough energy from the electric field to be involved in collisions with other molecules and help to dislodge them. All the time the resistance of the gas is dropping. A point will be reached when the gas breaks down and these collisions form a continuous discharge and the quantity we call resistance has dropped to a very low point. Clearly the voltage / current relationship is not constant and is very non linear.

So in conclusion for any situation you can think about resistance is never constant so ohms law is never true.

But for something that is never true it is very useful because it's deviation from true is so small it is not important, especially if it is applied correctly. That is for materials that exhibit a near constant resistance OR over a small enough section of the restive function that equates to a straight line.

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Okay, thank you for your advice.
I will dump the 15V/3A power source since it is not adapted.
To power my peltier I hesitate between two options and I m kinda new in electronics so your opinion would really matter for me.

  1. when I search on google " 12v/6A power supply" the best choice seems : "transformer/adapter" but I dunno if it would fit to power my Peltier since there is often written "Led" and i m using no leds. Furthermore, that may be really stupid but I have no idea how to connect the "universal DC output" to the wire of the peltier... Could a "green 12V DC led adapter plug" be used between the power supply and the Peltier (like this one : YIXISI 10 Paire 5.5 X 2.1mm 12V DC Connecteur d'alimentation Mâle et Femelle, DC Alimentation Fiche Prise Adaptateur Vis Borne Connecteur, pour CCTV Caméra LED Bande : Amazon.fr: High-Tech)

  2. I've also seen some batteries on Amazon that could supply 12V/6A, maybe this would be a better Idea ? I truly don t know.

Sorry for all my questions, I know it sounds stupid, but I d like not to put my home on fire so I prefer asking.
Thanks a lot for your time,
Have a great day !

You don't want 6A power supply for 6A peltier, you want >6A supply.
Something like these:

Battery would be silly choice if you have mains available.

Thank you for your answer, indeed I had gone too fast and more than 6A are required.
In the second power source of the picture you've sent, there is a green connector. Can I buy this, plug the green connector to the peltier without risk ? Is it suited for such use ?
Thanks a lot for your help,
Best^^

Yes, as long as you respect the polarity..
And it doesn't burn even if you reverse it.

No
I think the screw terminal adaptors are only rated for 2A.
So not suitable for 6A.
I would buy a connector rated for at least 10A.

Something like this would be better

I have found some rated for 10A and 20A, but I wouldn't trust the adapter that comes with the power supply to be rated for more than 2-3A.

Thanks everyone, I ve bought this and will try it as soon as it arrives.
I had an other question linked with an observation I have done.

I have 2 peltiers device. When I plug the first one to the 12V/3A power source and put 8V I can see on the screen : 8V, 1.85A descending.
But when I apply the same experimentation to the other peltier, I can try to increase the voltage all I want, it does not exceed 6.7V and 3.37A.
So my guess is that the first peltier is not working as it should while the 2nd one is : since its internal resistor is around 2Ohms it makes sense that I cannot go above 6.7V due to my power source (that can not deliver more than 3.37A) but I m curious so here I am^^
Is my guess correct and the 1st peltier not working well ? (Or being a "fake" one ?)
Thanks, and have a good day !

How could it, with a power supply limited to 3A?

Does seem that way.

Honestly I dunno.
Maybe my power source is displaying a current that exceeds the real current delivered.

Yes okay thank you jim-p

Power supply ratings are nominal, but are meant to be taken seriously. A power supply rated at 12V, 3A should never be expected to deliver more than 3A.

It is common sense to overspecify power supplies. If the project demands 6A, the power supply should be rated for 8 to 10A or higher.

Use your multimeter to cross check equipment displays.

Perhaps your power source is a toy. Post an image.

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