Proposal - no more proposals to change the forum

[b707]

@UKHeliBob

Please, can we stop messing about and turn code highlighting back

I completely agree

Additionally, I would suggest taking a break from the continuous category renaming and other forum changes.

Proposal - no more proposals to change the forum

[pert]

@b707

taking a break from the continuous category renaming

The last category renaming was 7 months ago. It was the change from "Arduino IDE 2.0 Beta" to "Arduino IDE 2.0", following the release of Arduino IDE 2.0.0. I don't know about you, but that doesn't match my definition of "continuous".

[b707]

@pert

that doesn't match my definition of "continuous".

I did not mean to offend, but if changing from "Arduino IDE 2.0 Beta" to "Arduino IDE 2.0" looks quite justified, then latest renamings like "Programming questions" to "Programming" or "Hardware" to "Official hardware" seems insignificant to me....

[pert]

@b707

seems insignificant to me....

If it is insignificant then feel free to ignore it. Your feedback on the proposals is invited, but not required.

The proposals to adjust the forum configuration are in response to years of requests from the community and based on feedback from the community.

If you read the discussion about the idea of making changes to the overall category structure, you'll see that there is a lot of support for such changes (even if there is disagreement on the specifics). In fact, there wasn't a single vote in the poll for the default proposal ("Leave the categories as they are"), despite the request for feedback on that topic having been advertised to all users on all forum pages for a week straight.

Restructuring forum categories

An issue that has been raised repeatedly over the years by the forum community is that there are too many English language forum categories, and that the scope of some of those categories is not well defined or communicated. One of the most common moderation actions is moving topics to the appropriate category. The current category structure and documentation may be a contributing factor in users selecting inappropriate categories. There is a lot of subject matter overlap in the current catego…

[Ballscrewbob]

Was a little "wary" initially, but that was until testing and other improvements / suggestions were taken on board.
It was long overdue and goes back a long long way.

Now I can't wait to see what we get.

[UKHeliBob]

@b707

Proposal - no more proposals to change the forum

The number of categories and their names has been in need of review for a long time

[b707]

I don't want to continue because I don't feel very good in this discussion where you are trying to make the forum better and I'm just getting in your way.

But take into account that people are liking my post, which means that your words about the lack of upvotes are not entirely true:

@pert

In fact, there wasn't a single vote in the poll for the default proposal ("Leave the categories as they are"),

[noiasca]

there are now 10 threads around "forum categories" ... imho that's enough.

Proposal: Rename "Programming Questions" category to "Programming"

This is one of the incremental changes implementing the English language category restructuring discussed in general at: The specific changes being proposed can be seen here. They consist of: Change the category's name from "Programming Questions" to "Programming" Change category "slug" (cosmetic text in category page URL) to programming The scope of this category is discussion of subjects related to programming. The "questions" of the previous category name is implicit. Category names …

Rename the FAQ? How frequently are the FAQ questions asked?

I was looking for the format codes for posts, and thought to click on https://forum.arduino.cc/faq It doesn't even state the questions it is answering: Is this a civilized Place? How should I move the discussion? How should I talk to people? Does the forum care about me? What should I do if I find a problem? How should I behave? Should I make a mess? Can i plagiarize? Who posts stuff? Am I agreeing to anything? Instead of FAQ, I suggest renaming the tab on the header to "Conduct" or "Rules"…

https://forum.arduino.cc/t/proposal-rename-hardware-category-to-official-hardware/1118739/13

Proposal: Rename "Introductory Tutorials" category to "Tutorials"

Yep !

Proposal: Merge away "India" category

Makes total sense

Restructuring forum categories

I am starting the implementation phase of this initiative. The implementation will be done incrementally via a series of atomic changes, each moving the categories toward the overall structure envisioned through this discussion. I am creating a dedicated topic for the discussion of each individual change and linking to that topic from here: Proposal: Rename "Installation & Troubleshooting" category to "IDE 1.x" Proposal: Rename "Software" category to "Development Tools" Proposal: Rename "Hard…

Proposal: Rename "Software" category to "Development Tools"

This is one of the incremental changes implementing the English language category restructuring discussed in general at: The specific changes being proposed can be seen here. They consist of: Change the category's name from "Software" to "Development Tools" Change category "slug" (cosmetic text in category page URL) to development-tools Define the category description in the "About the Development Tools category" topic: Discussion about software tools used for development and deployment o…

Proposal: Rename "Installation & Troubleshooting" category to "IDE 1.x"

This is one of the incremental changes implementing the English language category restructuring discussed in general at: The specific changes being proposed can be seen here. They consist of: Change the category's name from "Installation & Troubleshooting" to "IDE 1.x" Change category "slug" (cosmetic text in category page URL) to ide-1x Specify 1.x scope in the "About the IDE 1.x category" topic The previous name of this category was very ambiguous. It could be interpreted by the user …

Summary of discussions about forum updates

Why start yet another offshoot thread ? BTW your list is not complete, there are some items missing.

Re: Restructuring forum categories

Still think @sterretje has a better handle on this and the users it is aimed at. Certainly not against streamlining as I can trace it back to a suggestion made a few years ago ! Like how so many suggestions that were thrown out at those points in the past are suddenly getting the attention they deserve. What I am against though is some of the "my way or the highway" insinuation's that have been offered. They seem to enter the realms of circular arguments rather than take on board other ideas…

Now please just get the job done.

ABBA - When All Is Said And Done

[Ballscrewbob]

Hey don't blame me for all the OFFSHOOTS, SPINOFFS, DUPLICATES, etc etc.

A D M I N seems to be the major cause.

Have already said most should be re-combined !

Edit...Well that was 10 minutes of wasted markdown attempt

[pert]

@noiasca

imho that's enough.

I need to repeatedly review the discussions about these proposals in order to understand what the forum community wants. That is very difficult to do in a single topic of hundreds of posts on multiple distinct subjects.

I will create as many topics as I feel is necessary to efficiently make the changes the forum community wants in a manner that allows everyone the opportunity to give feedback and for their feedback to be given consideration.

Would you prefer I just went ahead with whatever changes I think are best without involving the community in the process?

[Ballscrewbob]

@pert

Would you prefer I just went ahead with whatever changes I think are best without involving the community in the process?

That was your old method....

Do consider consolidating some of the the posts so we are not chasing our tails.

[noiasca]

@pert

Would you prefer I just went ahead with whatever changes I think are best without involving the community in the process?

I have no problem with that.

After 6 weeks of information gathering it's time to act. If you expand it for another 6 weeks it will not get better significantly, nor you won't please more people as with today's knowledge.

[PerryBebbington]

OK, I get it, lots of individual proposals to change this category title or that category title or merge this with that and the other, and it's getting tiresome to read them all and think about them and comment. So don't. Ignore them if you are fed up with them. They are there for those who want to see them, read them and maybe comment on them. Everyone else can look elsewhere. I support @pert , he is going about this in the right way by making sure everyone has a chance to comment if they want to, but there's no compulsion to even read the topics, let alone think about them or comment on them.

@b707

I don't want to continue because I don't feel very good in this discussion where you are trying to make the forum better and I'm just getting in your way.

You are not getting in the way, you are adding your valued opinion, please do not give up on doing that.