Hello everyone!
As you can see, the forum got heavily renovated. Read this blog post for an overview: The Arduino Forum is now completely renovated (and it’s so nice)
Do you like the new forum? In case you find issues, just post them here!
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Sorry but it is not nice, it seems to have been designed by someone who never did much actually answering of questions here.
I have not found a way to see the replies that were waiting to my existing posts.
My trust level is "Basic user" ! WTF with 60K posts and joined in 2008, you can do better than this.
It says I have generated 30K posts that is utter bull.
I tried a post with a quote of a question and the answer "Yes" and got told my posts would have to be longer than 20 characters and to try the Heart button. Lack of imagination there in the design.
Also quotes tagging the originator are automatically removed. Great we can't identify the source of a quote.
So did any real users test this?
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Copied from "Bar Sport"
I’m looking this new forum format.
I’m getting use to it.
BUT…
Why is the post text box only 1/2 to 2/3 the width of my screen when all I'm doing is reading someone's post? (Where did underline go??)
I"m using a laptop, 15" not a SmartyPhone.
Down either side of the page is just blank unused space, what a waste!!!
I went the latest blog informing us of the update, I’m logged in but can’t reply, even though it says I am supposed to.
If I have to go t o Gitty Hub to voice my opinions/suggestions, I’m sorry but that stinks.
Where in this forum do I let the programmers know of how i feel and some suggestions?
Tom… 
PS. Love the better emoji selection…
PPS. So much faster to
I think I have found it here...
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No users, including moderators, have had any say in how the new forum has been set up and apart from what may be generally available on the Web have no special knowledge of Discourse unless they have been involved with its implementation elsewhere
I would hope that feedback from users over time will be taken into account and should there be options to change page layouts etc then advantage may be taken of them
One thing that has been made clear is that the forum software will not be customised beyond the options that Discourse offers. This was done for the previous forum software (SMF) which made applying updates and fixes to it impossible
I am not sure whether it does exactly what you want but what do you see if you right click on your avatar ?
Only to a very limited extend as I understand it
Moderators were given access but due to a snafu somewhere along the line some of us could not access the test system for a period and I believe that some "real" users were also invited to take a look and provide feedback but I am not sure how many and what opportunity they had to look
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There is a quote above this that identifies you I suspect will be auto removed (EDIT no not this time) it said this:-
I am not sure whether it does exactly what you want but what do you see if you right click on your avatar ?
Yes I can see the new stuff but not those replies in waiting I had lined up before yesterday.
We did request more user testing but there were some issues with communication and the timescale was IMHO much to short to get any real feedback.
It was not for lack of trying to get involved trust me on that.
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I find the date bar highly distracting can we get it removed please.
My trust level is “Basic user” ! WTF with 60K posts and joined in 2008, you can do better than this.
I'm guessing that this refers to your administrative rights and not the quality of your posts here.
I'm just using this as a test of what you said about the quotes.
Edit. << would like to make this coloured
It is OK if you are replying to the post you are quoting from because you can elect to see that post inline (Load parent post)
I think the first time I tried the quote thing I did a copy from the post and then a paste in the reply. It was auto removed.
To get it to work I did a copy from the post and then hit the "quote" button that poped up.
Also there is no post count displayed beside the user. And no indication that a post has been edited. This was useful in seeing if someone had changed the post after you told them about something.
The new forum seems very much harder to use on my PC and impossible on my tablet.
It shows an orange pencil and an edit counter here for edits.
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And no indication that a post has been edited.
That is OK. There is a number by the pen / pencil symbol with a date stamp "tool tip"
Not seeing any immediate indication of the persons posting history, karma etc. will be missed by me as well.
edit 2, edit 3, edit 4, edit 5, edit 6, edit 7
edit
There appears to be a 5 minute grace period, during which you can edit a post without it being marked as such.
edit+
However, if another post is made in the thread, that grace period appears to expire immediately.
That was how you could tell if they were a brand new poster....
OR
If a couple of posts only, you could check if they had been cross posting.
Tom...
PS, Slowly getting the hang of the new system...
I was one of the users that was asked to test (indeed a short time frame of a few days). And I was one of the users that could not login to do actual testing, even though @alranel alranel tried to solve it (I guess I missed the deadline that a "forgot password" has).
Anyway, is there a "quote" button? Or how does one quote? BB tags?
Trying to quote
(Do you like the new forum? - #14 by sterretje)
I was one of the users that was asked to test (indeed a short time frame of a few days). And I was one of the users that could not login to do actual testing, even though @alranel alranel tried to solve it (I guess I missed the deadline that a “forgot password” has).
Anyway, is there a “quote” button? Or how does one quote? BB tags?
I saw, incidentally, that you were typing this response even before you submitted it.
That could be useful instead of seeing the "yellow card" as before.
Highlight what you want then open a reply.
OR
Anyway, is there a “quote” button? Or how does one quote? BB tags?
Or if it doesn't , then copy to your post, highlight and select "BlockPost" the '' symbol.
Tom...
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OK, highlighting and clicking quote works. Thanks Tom
// PS
You got a heart 
OR
Highlight the required text and click the <"> button which appears next to it.
Quoting is OK - not a problem. However, tell me how to insert some code. The </> button does not behave as before. It seems I need to paste, then highlight and then only press the </> button.
EDIT: If clicking </> first and then pasting only includes the first line.
Willem
don't like it, its visually cluttered full of dinky icon/avatars thingies of no real value.
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Hi,
Highlight in the IDE what you want to post, then look in the EDIT tab for "Copy for Forum".
It will copy your code and add the tags automatically,
So next you just paste into your post.
Tom..
Wow, you can copy an image (e.g. screenshot) and past it here. No more saving / uploading file.
Hmm, I was a Shannon member since the first day that I joined the forum 
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No, I don't like new forum.
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[nobbc]your code here [/nobbc]
your code here Thanks Tom. That works. (You need to do an ordinary paste and not use the </> button).
Welcome to new world of (un)social media. Everything is mostly geared for smartphone use. I just looked at this thread on mine and is works well (even though I would very seldom go there).
Willem.
Hmmm,
No nobbc tags
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Editing old posts. I can't seem to edit anything of mine which has been migrated, even stuff from yesterday.
One of my posts has now a corrupted link. It is in the old format URL with the name: SITE MAINTENANCE . . .
I really like Discord and it's great to see Arduino upgrading to a more modern and user friendly system, folks don't like change but they'll get used to it.
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The best improvement IMO is support for Markdown.
This can provide the missing [nobbc] functionality:
[code]your code here [/code]
I did that using a fenced code block:
```
[code]your code here [/code]
```
The syntax highlighting in fenced code blocks is cool:
// the setup function runs once when you press reset or power the board
void setup() {
// initialize digital pin LED_BUILTIN as an output.
pinMode(LED_BUILTIN, OUTPUT);
}
// the loop function runs over and over again forever
void loop() {
digitalWrite(LED_BUILTIN, HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
delay(1000); // wait for a second
digitalWrite(LED_BUILTIN, LOW); // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
delay(1000); // wait for a second
}
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Hi,
I agree, but I'd like to view any posts/threads full width of my screen.
That is why I got 15" laptop.
Tom...
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Is it this issue?:
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As a former graphic designer, the reason for the narrow width constraint would be to reduce the length of lines, line length should be between 40-75 characters in a typical context.
In this case how would making the page wider actually improve the experience, you'd just have text that was on really long lines?
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Maybe this is what you're looking for
In the screenshot at the right, "Unread (1)"
Not sure if this will be the same as the "updated topics" in the old forum or the same as the "unread" in the ild forum.
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If I click on your user name in above post, I can see the full post from where I took the quote.
So far it's been problematic with login. I've logged in at arduino.cc but if I then switch to the forum, I'm greeted as a new user and offered the opportunity to sign up.
Just tried using that and it works. Thanks for the link.
Willem
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I did click sign up and apparently that did log me in.
The new format looks modern and clean but it's very wasteful of screen space. Compared to the old one I can see far fewer topics at a time. (Safari 13.0.5).
I can see little point in showing the Avatars of the last few posters on a topic - so many of them are just a letter, so it justs wastes more space while telling me nothing.
Hi,
Solved it, used the little used zoom on my touch screen.
Forum could use bigger font to fill the screen.
Tom...
I got a PM (all my messages seem to have disappeared - WTaF?) last Friday saying I could take a look at a preview of this new forum.
I couldn't login though, and I gave up on waiting for a login authorisation.
Meanwhile my feedback was that the information density of the new forum was (now is) poor. I stand by that assessment.
Using on my phone, scrolling through topics, I get really bad flicker top right.
Now that I can post, I can't find the editor formatting tools. I suppose we're all newbies again.
Progress - loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it.
That is it. I'm on Windows with Firefox. + click does work with such a link. The replacement label "Site Maintenance" is not nice but I guess that affects only links from yesterday.
The restriction on editing old posts I definitely don't like, though.
Anyway, have a "Like" for that!
All(?) #include in old code blocks are defect.
Example:
The include part should look like this
#include <CombieTimer.h>
#include <CombiePin.h>
#include <CombieTypeMangling.h>
using namespace Combie::Millis;
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I can see mine. The UI has changed a little. You click on the avatar at the top right corner of the website, then the envelope icon:
Is it not working like that for you?
For me, they are pretty much as before, shown above the reply field
Do you not see those?
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I hate it, it's become exactly what i expected it to be.
Why does everything have to be mobile friendly, and PC unfriendly.
Why woud a want to see a summary of every new post in every possible language and / or topics i'm not interested in at all ?
No, i won't.
I'll abandon this forum instead.
Hi,
At the moment getting every category new post is annoying.
Unfortunately I only speak English and a little French, but I notice in the new list so many threads/posts that are not what I want or understand.
This forum needs a facility in each members profile to select what categories appear as new threads/posts.
Just a suggestion.
Tom..
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Okay.
For those who are looking for solutions, you can in your profile: edit the notification categories and mute the international category entirely:
It doesn't hide from latest, but will stop them showing up in new, which if you use that will work, also ever category has it's own latest screen which you could use too.
It's different but people will become used to the new way, I agree it would be nice if there was a way to hide by language.
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That's great for users but not moderators
Another solution would be for Arduino to add groups: Arduino Forum for each language and then set those groups to hide specific categories.
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Looks great and more modern, think I'll hang around here a bit more. 
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I think the issue that combie found is really a big problem. Many posted sketches become useless of the #include lines are corrupted.
That's not a matter of 'I like it' or 'I Idon't like it' - it's really a severe problem. And I found that in many old posts with sketches already.
It happens if the include file is enclosed in <...> . If the file is enclosed in "..." it's ok.
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Where is the user manual ? And yes, that is a serious question.
No, the user experience is different on phone (Android) vs. laptop (Ubuntu).
On phone, where I am typing now, I have no toolbar above where it says "Type here", hence my earlier comment about formatting
I also have different usernames on phone and laptop, sharing a common email address and avatar.
This transition looks to me to have been something of a foxtrot uniform.
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No panic! There’s a background job which is reformatting messages and converting the old markup into the new format. It will take several hours to complete all the 5M+ posts but as you can see the one you mentioned is already fixed
Congratulations, forum team, you've just choose the absolutely worse layout and working style that you can choose from all the various possibilities available.
I understand that in a world filled of impaired peoples able only to run around with a smartphone glued to the eyes, choose to transform a decent forum in a bad and ugly copy of a smartphone screen may appear a good solution, for peoples that don't know how to manage SMF scripts, but this is NOT that what the most part of the serious users was expecting from you.
The actual forum is totally absurd and totally bad. Period.
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Desktop user. Without underlining the contrast between text and links is almost indistinguishable, to my eye.
WYSIWYG post editor. ++
Image posting is better. ++
Scrolling the thread while editing. ++
Code syntax highlighting. ++
Others have noted the bias toward phone users. Maybe add a guide, FAQ to features, like colorizing text, for users unfamiliar with this software.
First impression curmudgeonly.
And I’ll admit, tho’ grudgingly,
Initially wanting to spike it.
I find I’m already starting to like it.
There is a basic shortcuts manual somewhere laying around in here.
It may be under one of the multiple headings.
I saw it in the test system once.
wait until the wasted space is filled with advertising... 
(I hope this never happens)
I'm missing colors in edited text and would have loved to be able to add colors to code too ...
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Funny you should ask that, because production of such a guide was suggested during the testing. It seems that "The Management" expect PerryBebbington to update his guides without having consulted or even warned him, let alone him having had anything but a chance for a look at an early version of the new forum in his own time.
There were those amongst the moderators, me included, who voiced their opinion that the new software and its configuration had not been tested enough, nor were there instructions on its use sufficient to ensure a good user experience. The switchover was postponed a few days but during that time several people, including me and at least one other moderator could not log in because of a snafu of some kind
The attitude seems to be that Discourse is better than SMF and it will be "alright on the night". We are lumbered with it so it is a case of like it or lump it
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It is not shortcuts we need it is a guide on how to do common tasks and the mods need it even more than most
Hi @Grumpy_Mike! Maybe you're looking for the "Unread" menu item? Look at the top menu bar.
Oh, that's just a matter of automatic trust levels based on activity. You can see an explanation here: Understanding Discourse Trust Levels
(We are all re-starting from the basic level! The forum software will automatically upgrade us -or downgrade us!- based on our activity.)
Your karma is also reflected in your profile (2,500+) so nobody will think you're a newbie
Actually it says you created 64.1k posts (a lot!). 30.9k is the number of posts you viewed.
That is a good point. The Discourse developers put a lot of emphasis on encouraging quality conversations, and you can see some background here: Why bother with the minimum character requirement for replies? - feature - Discourse Meta
However I do see it can be annoying. I'll take a note: if we see several complaints about this we can definitely turn it off. Thank you for point it out!
This may just be a temporary rendering until the background jobs completed the conversion of the markup: would you mind to link an example so that we can check that?
I am finding the lack of the ability to select code in a "code" block a nuisance
Have I just missed seeing/finding how to do it ?
If only there were a user manual...
@alranel
I think that we are missing the immediate feedback about a user. Going into a profile is not the way, in my opinion.
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You mean these kind of code blocks? I'm having no issues selecting them. 
test
An annoying thing:
I'm using Firefox and < ctrl >F does not open the Firefox search (in the left bottom) but the Arduino search (in the right top). It however does not seem to be consistent, sometimes I manage to get the Firefox search which is another annoying thing.
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Yes, that kind of code block
I am used to being able to select the whole code with a single click. Is that possible in Discourse ?
No I do not like the new forum.
It will be interesting to see if it improves (or I get to tolerate it), or whether I tire of struggling to figure out how to do what I’ve always done if it is even still possible.
It looks like it isn’t time to point out deficiencies that are a result of an as yet incomplete transfer of years of activity.
One good thing: no more accidentally ending up on page 5436… now you’d have to scroll down and wait for another batch of messages about 200 times to get allaway out to the end.
Reliance on icons avatars instead of name + avatar. Who knows, maybe it will exercise a different part of my brain and I’ll get to know all of you by sight rather than name. One I do recognize is the pizza, but that’s just my brain which likes pizza.
And what’s with all the awards and accomplishments and badges? Who drives the need for such constant affirmation? I will just ignore that, too. The more stuff I just have to work around or ignore or live with, the worse I feel about this switch.
And the more I realize how many other forums suck, really, and are hard to use. Which is perhaps why I don’t. Use them.
a7
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Seems like it's off by default.
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THX
Now I'm looking for the file attachments.
Will I find it again someday?
LOL ............. i guess I’ll keep that icon then
I don't see a top menu for finding unread posts. Nor do I see an avatar icon up there either. Chrome, iPad.
Aaaaaand now we have a "Copy" button for codeblocks! @UKHeliBob
(Big thanks to @silvanocerza for pointing out there was a setting for it)
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Was using Firefox for decades. However, after the last big update (which was a mess - initially at least) I started using Opera. It works great for me.
Back to search. If I select Find from the menu, which does list Ctrl-F as the shortcut, I get the Opera page search (top left in bottom of the toolbar). If I use the Ctrl-F shortcut, I get the forum search (top right). At least it is consistent.
Willem
EDIT: Sorry, initially clicked wrong "Reply". At least delete seem to work. (Why does "Reply" when enclosed in <...> get dropped?)
It’s terrible. I’m taking bets that it was (ahem!) designed by somebody who never actually used the old one, himself - yep, himself, no woman would mess it up like this - and he has not the slightest clue about how people used it. I do hope nobody was actually paid money to do this. How do you quote, and why on earth do they suggest I post a picture when it comes out barely readable? Did somebody say “mobile friendly”? All that white space and still tiny buttons suggest there has been no attempt to improve things there, it’s just a tart-up to no benefit, in fact it's worse than before. And there appears to be no indication of new posts in a particular forum. If ever there was a true reflection of the "renovators" competence, this is it. Oops, no, just as bad is the absence of any indication that I have posted in a topic. OK, picture uploads was silly and the notification thingy hasn’t work for years, but was there anything actually wrong with the old forum that couldn’t be fixed without enduring this mess?
It appears that the picture upload is as unintuitive as ever.
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I like it. I quickly could setup my usual workflow. I have a bookmark to "Unread" and then I switch to "New". In "New" now I instantly see if and who replayed to the topic. To check the user I click the avatar and it shows a pop-up with name and reputation summary.
I muted the International category in profile setting, maybe later I mute some more categories.
And usage of Markdown is a big improvement.
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Yes, I just found it. Thanks to @silvanocerza for pointing out the setting
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No, bloody awful!!
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Wow completely lost again !! I must be getting old... does anyone have any idea why i am typing this in a rectangle on the left and outside of a rectangle on the right as well (hmm maybe something with formatting or something) Anyway earlier today i found a way to see what the updated topics are, i think i went to my posts or something and then just looked at the time they were last altered. I suppose i could just enable notifications, but i don't want to be notified the very moment someone has added to a discussion, but check and see if anyone has said anything at all 'in my own time' If anyone has any good solutions for me that would be great, but i am not even sure i will find this post again as it is. To answer the question that was asked at the top. "For now, no i hate it ! (ah what the hack) !!!!!!!
Not even the subdivision of the forum makes sense anymore.
I love it!
The old posts migration has been very effective on my side, for me everything is in place.
Also, it seems to have fixed some long-standing issues in the old forum (like the horrible picture upload).
Besides that, it's reactive, slick, and all features look well thought. 
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On the right it shows the preview of the message as you type: in the old forum you had to click a "preview" button and a page-reload if I remember correctly... now it's muuuuuuch better, another huge for me.
(also I found how to quote: select the part you want to quote -> click reply! nice!)
found it, it's the 'picture-landscape' icon next to </>
Actually i came to the realisation, that until something is working properly, it should not go 'live' So for now my suggestion is: Load the old forum back on, take this back to the drawing board.
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so muting International didn't do the trick. I have to add every subcategory of it.
@Juraj What is your goal? Do you want to hide international messages from the home page? Or are you getting other kinds of notifications with them?
Ditto here. It is a huge waste of screen area with absolutely no benefit.
And what's with the double-LF between topics? A huge waste of space. How do I see what topics I have replied to?
NOT happy. Very much prefer the old format. Why was it necessary to change to Discoarse?
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My workflow was to look for new answers in threads where I had participated before. That was one simple click and there was a list where I could mark individual stuff as read if wanted to or unread if I wanted to come back to those later.
This seems a bit less user friendly as I do t get a page with everything at a glance, it’s in the pop up menu. The New pop up is going to be a big mess if you can’t filter by area of interest given the volume of new posts.. there are many languages I don’t speak and as much I’d love to contribute there, I can’t... so I don’t need to see those.
Once I had done this I would go look for new or unanswered messages in various sub forums, like Français or the general English discussion or gigs. I had shortcut to those places in my tool bar so that was easy.
the screen real estate use is suboptimal. Content should be front and center and own the largest space and distraction should be kept to a minimum....
I miss colors
Scrolling up or down to see the whole thread that could be 300 pages long (in old forum) will be a pain on low bandwidth
Hey i actually found that the 'unread' button does something that i want 
, but now i find that the scroll-bar on the right doesn't work the way i want it anymore. Instead of scrolling up to the top of the page it just start dynamically adding previous responses, which in turn moves the scroll focus down etc. Even if you've never used this forum, any webdesigner should know the unwanted side effect i am describing.
I feel for the people who designed this though, they know up front that they are going to make a lot of people very unhappy with their 'improvements'
Or as i told my friend at Google "Tell the techies to go home ! their work is done, stop improving !"
same for me. I checked 30 "old" threads by one view (bold as marking for "new" answeres" and marked with glasses as sign I have contributed before), one click and I got exactly to the point of my last visit. Now I spend more time in scrolling then in reading/answering...
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I’m feeling like a bull in a china shop. 
Is there an obvious way (which I have missed) of seeing whether a user is logged on or not ?
This is useful for me in deciding how to handle subsequent edits to a post of mine. If no one involved in the thread is currently active, I just slip the changes in.
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I noticed there are privacy settings now to hide some of your stuff.
Previously we could refer a user to an old post by post#.
example:
See post #56 in this thread . . .
Is this still an option ?
Could we get a " Select languages" option, to unclutter the new posts column?
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That vertical “Date scroll bar” on the right is a piece of crap.
Useless and takes up 1/4 of the screen !
New image 
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My opinion of the new forum is that I will quite quickly find a way to work with it and it does appear more feature laden that the old one. Further, the migration appears to have gone well.
Apart from the general usability, important IMHO was that external links (Google searches etc.) into the forum still work.
However, the restrictions on editing pre-migration posts is going to cause some friction. I see some messes with pictures which I had carefully positioned in the text appearing in random places, but I will tidy those up over time, subject to getting the affected threads reopened.
It will take some getting used to.
code tags testImage tags test
Those parts look to be working ...
there is a small share button under each post (the "chain" icon), for example the post you are referring is:
another nice trick that I learned: if you already know the post # you can add it to the end of the URL for example the thread is:
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/share-tips-you-have-come-across/428745
the specific post #56 is obtained by adding /56 to the end:
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/share-tips-you-have-come-across/428745/56
< ctrl >< home > does not necessarilly take one to the top of the page; only in short threads, not if one is at the end of e.g. this one.
And text between < and > does not show; in below solved with backticks but it should not be necessary (and is definitely not beginner friendly)
<ctrl>
Where is post number hidden ?
For example for this post, what is and where is it ?
Don't like the new forum at all !! Extremely hard to figure out what is going on and where to actually find information. Need a way to revert back to the original format !!
Horrible.
Designed by people who has never used a forum before!
Approved by people who have never used a forum before!
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Well, actually it may be hard to figure out the exact post number if you are in the middle of many posts.
On the other hand you have the "share" icon that provides you the direct link to the post, so knowing the exact post number doesn't have much use anymore, if I want to link your post I just copy the link from the share button:
and paste it here:
to hide in "New" all topics of all International categories
If you want to see a very good no-nonsense forum, check out the one at HP.com
Lenovo's forum is not as good as HP's
Arduino's is plain awful.
There is no need to re-design the thing from scratch.
Apparently, the company was paid by the time not by how good it is.
.
Yes there is no way I created more that a hundred posts in my 13 years here. I tend to answer rather than ask questions.
Yes you can see things like posts if anyone is bothered to look but it is not the same as having it along side your avatar.
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Will take some getting used to. The Badges are interesting - what does "Jackson" indicate? Certainly does not seem Electronics related.
Yes many of my tutorials look like crap now...
I have commented elsewhere about how uncertain the post number is
Compare the screenshot in this post with others on this thread with the same post in view
Frankly I will not spend as much time here as I did before.
This is not a slight change.
This is a massive change.
And I don't see anything new that is an improvement.
If I was getting paid to answer questions here, I would stick it out.
But I have no inclination to do that now with this mess of a forum.
.
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larryD wanted to know the post number of his specific post; number 98 which might only change if people delete a post between the opening post and his post.
But I admit that it's not working perfectly to see the exact number when scrolling
No, I don't see the reply window toolbar.
(This was supposed to be a reply/quote of an earlier post from @pert, but failed. I don't know why)
And I don't even have my proper username, even though my profile does.
Someone suggested I might be able to find something positive to post about the new forum, so here goes : "At least it isn't Discord".
This "improvement" sucks like a very sucky thing.
To hide my embarrassment, I think I'm going to have to unfriend Banzi from my LinkedIn.
I detect a distinct patterns here.
The older you are the more you don’t like this change.
The longer you’ve been using these fora, the more you don’t like this change.
But that’s OK because old people who have been here for awhile weren’t really contributing all that much anyway. Cough.
a7
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...and the more you're an Arduino employee, the more you like it.
Yeah, that works.
We spend ages telling noobs to "test, test and test again", and we get lumbered with this pile of horse-shit by the people who are supposed to be leaders.
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An improvement that I would like to see is borders around code, quotes and images; or different colours from the standard backgound. They just need to stand out a little.
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The ‘Date Scroll Bar’ isn’t even dynamic !
C R A P
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Well I can speak for myself, I really like the new forum and my appreciation is genuine 
up to you if you want to believe it or not!
@# SteelyEyedMissileMan
Please don’t change your Icon, we won’t know who you are !
@cmaglie : you're new around here, aren't you?
I hope the moderators got adequate notice of this total foxtrot uniform.
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sure totally newbie LOL
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It shows. ( Joined Jan 26, '11)
@cmaglie: can you show me the edit toolbar on Android/Chrome? Or are you just an Apple/Windoze fanboy?
Change is always hard. It gets you out your comfort zone and there is never a good time for change. At some point you need to bite the bullet and be fine if you don’t please everyone.
I’ll reserve my opinion on how useful the change is for after a few weeks, giving them the time to iron out some quirks and find my new routine (and once I’m no longer annoyed at having to rebuild all my shortcuts and learn new tags format)
If it’s too painful, I’ll visit less often and won’t contribute as much as before. It’s OK I’m just a basic user anyway amongst 1077647 members
They get to decide what are the tools for the community and the community gets to decide if they want to come...
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Hmmm ....
Images, yes.
But what about * .zip, PDF or extensive binary data files, logs ....
I'll be blunt. No I do not like the new forum.
I find it more difficult and time consuming to get to various sections as things are now splattered all over the place - particularly when used on a large desktop display.
Where did this come from and what was the motivation?
The biggest fail, IMO, is that it now takes quite a few more clicks and scrolling of the web page to get to where you want to go since things are so scattered and take up so much vertical space on the display.
There is also lots of "pretty colors" and statistical information for each thread that again eats up more screen real estate.
I'm always disappointed with the trend of "upgrading" things to a new "modern" look. My experience with many of these upgrades is that the user interface often suffers in terms of usability. And often trying to do the same things, is slower and takes more input. (button presses, scrolling, mouse clicks, etc... )
So far, from my initial look, this seems to be the case on this update as well.
I am not a fan.
I'll likely spend less time on the site.
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Change when it is revolutionary is great.
Change just for change is stupid and silly.
I absolutely appreciate when something makes it easier to do something.
What does this new forum do that makes it easier for us?
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- 1 for that option !
Actually I think its more than +1 going by the reactions so far LOL
Gone ! Is the 9000 character limit still there ?
Sod off, is that a way to win friends?
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I believe it was sarcasm.....
Copied from the Discourse Wikipedia page
"Discourse is natively designed for high resolution [touch] devices with a built-in mobile layout"
Which explains why the desktop version has such poor usability.
The Arduino company picked it because it's free, not on its suitability for authoring and displaying technical content.
It's Discourse. I got used to it before and will again. I'm just a bit rusty with it. It'll all come back to me eventually. In the meantime there will be some frustrations, I'm sure. But I've used it before plenty, like the Wemos forum, the TTN forum...
(And I'm old and have been here a long time...)
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Some plonker flagged you LOL.
If I could find the button to ignore the flag I would.
Your view is as valid as any other.
As for the actual Q. YES the old software was well past its sell by date and it was a real struggle to keep it operating under the newer security and log on requirements.
So was my reply, I was very tempted to use another word.
It seems to me that this thing was designed to be used by the very narcissistic.
I can find lots of my posts but precious few of other peoples posts / problems.
Why do I want to see my own posts, after all I wrote them.
The more I explore this mess the less I like it.
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I sort of like it but it clearly needs some tweaking.
Yes some of its features are extremely quirky and certainly not as intuitive as we would like but overall I like the flow.
Now if only I could find the moderation options 
So, it seems I have an Arduino username, and a forum username.
How did that happen?
Has anyone played with discobot yet and the hash categories ?
Smilies in old threads don't show as smilies
No, what is is discobot? More eye-candy for the children? (WTaF is a "hash category"?)
(Does anyone know how to post videos? I want to show the utter sh1t-shower that is the UX of this forum on Android/Chrome)
I hated discos
Re: that frigging scroll bar on the right.
WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO WASTE 1/4 OF THE SCREEN REAL ESTATE ?
Seems to me a simple Up/Down control would be all that’s needed.
This could be accommodated in 1/20th the space as the current crap does !
My crystal ball says I will be spending less time here, too bad really.
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I would have added a Karma point for that post, but Karma is gone as well.
I would add that no reason for the change to Disgust was ever offered. Had the deciders even hinted that they were going to switch to Discrud, they would have gotten quite an earful of "Hell No!".
I personally do not care for the update for a couple of reasons:
1.) The home page is very cluttered - I liked the simplicity of the old forum when simply navigating to the category of threads I'm interested in
2.) As mentioned before, there is a lot of wasted space on the left and right sides of the thread posts
I've only looked at the new format for a bout 5min, so I'm sure there are more unhappy surprises to discover. I do like the effort to modernize, I just like for things to be kept simple.
but Karma is gone as well
BRUH.......WTF
It certainly has some peculiarities. On a desktop with Win 10 and a Chrome browser, the scroll bar only shows in full screen. When sized for partial screen coverage the right lane goes away, but each post has a time of posting. When another day goes by, we'll see if the right lane adds anything that you don't get in a smaller presentation.
For Karma use the 
button
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Does bold work?
[Edit] Oh, yes it does. I guess manual methods will have to do for now
Karma is still there.
What you do is send a personal message to the author telling them how much you like what was said.
The Author then takes out a piece of paper and puts a vertical stroke on it.
Every 5 strokes they then put a diagonal line through the grouping.
Simple
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"like" is not the same as Karma
Especially because Karma can be anonymous.
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Hi LarryD , the post category / subcategory is here (top bar)
I don't have any "heart" button, here ... another script fail ?
EDIT:
Oh, i see, the "pseudo-like" icon in "idiotic asocial-network sites style" ... bah ... it's another fail same as the "flag" and the autohide system, right ? ...
Hopefully some of the annoyances will be resolved. I do find it a little ominous though that most of the positive comments are from the Arduino team and most of the downvotes are from the high postcount users who actually answer questions.
Glass of new coke anyone?
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Thanks, but only if there's not the same layout of this forum on the glass 
(sorry, can't resist 
)
There’s Karma
From what I have seen, Discourse has been faithful to the "dogfooding" philosophy by using a Discourse forum almost exclusively for publishing documentation. So it doesn't exactly follow the format you would usually expect from a manual, but I guess it makes sense in this particular case:
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When you posted I tried it and that was certainly the case. I just incidentally tried it again and now it is dynamic. I can slide/scroll to any post (by number??).
Oh, if you click the chain icon (link) the actual post number is displayed as well as the link to the post.
EDIT: I think you are still correct, It is not dynamic and only roughly goes to the number on the time bar. Disappointing.
Willem
Not on an iPad
Just trying pasting an image.
Seems to work.
EDIT: @ sterretje is correct, we need a border round the picture.
Willem
Trying to add an linked image:
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Lol. Great.
Willem
Again, Congratulation, forum team, for hide my post (52) where i was saying that i don't like the forum ... i see that this forum is going in the same direction that many other forums are taking, where personal opinions are hidden or deleted when are not in accord with the leading team.
I can see it so it is NOT hidden.
@Etemenanki message is there and thanks for your feedback, every opinion counts
The above is post 54. Post 52, the one @Etemenanki mentioned, whichever that may be, is not there.
Willem.
The post counter on the silly slider bar is highly suspect.
Have managed to scroll down and read some post #3 before it gets to post #2
Very glitchy for post numbering. In the pic I am clearly on post #2 centred in my screen but the slider says I am still on post #projects-and-topics:covid-19-projects
I fully agree.
However, I got the post numbers from the link icon. It may be that the post number quoted by @Etemenanki was indeed from the wonky slider bar.
Willem
BTW I did NOT insert the covid HASH link the new forum did that by itself.
Clearly another minor and annoying bug.
const bool evidence = strcmp("progress", "better");
evidence == true
(strcmp() returns nonzero)
Perhaps not what you meant.
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Not only that, it still has that screen space-wasting rubbish blue bar at the top! 
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This thread seems like it could benefit from poll.
If you are really wanting to get simple strait to the point answer if people like it, it seems like a poll would give a clear quick answer.
--- bill
@bperrybap
AT your request.
- Do you like the new forum as it is ?
- Do you dislike the new forum as it is ?
- Would you like to see some additions or changes ?
0 voters
EDIT the poll re-ordered the Q list not me.
Darned quirks.
Can someone tell me how to attach a .zip file in the post?
Otherwise, the forum has unfortunately become much too confusing. Reduction to the essentials would have been the keyword. Simple elegance is the art.
Have the problems with the e-mail notification been solved?
OhOh it wont take ZIPS that's a FAIL right there.
Confirming no zips allowed which needs to be sorted out quickly.
EDIT... I think Alessandro is writing a book cos he has been replying for ages
Please, be polite to each other and let's keep this place welcoming also for people who have different opinions
I'll give some answers to the various questions. First off, karma is there: if you click on a user you'll see it. It's computed according to the number of likes received under own posts.
Now, we've been having trouble with the old forum for a long time. It had reached a point where it was even difficult to keep it online reliably, because SMF was not designed to scale. We had collected a long list of complaints and bugs (@Ballscrewbob was reaching out to us almost on a daily basis reporting bugs) - and I'm talking about real bugs, like data loss, unreachable pages, links that were not working, random redirects and so on. We did our best to fix the issues, but touching the SMF codebase was a pain. We even tried to find consultants but nobody wanted to do it. We were running a fork of SMF because we had applied too many changes from the upstream codebase, so we couldn't even upgrade it. Let me say that we would prefer to use the buyers' and donors' money to fund research and development rather than patching an old forum forever. In addition, we had vulnerability reports (it was based on PHP 5.x...), and it was even not GDPR compliant because it lacked an API to anonymize posts properly upon user deletion.
Last but not least, the forum was terribly slow. The UX was really hard for newer users, and the interface felt really old for many people. Also, the world has changed a bit in these years and -like it or not- 50% of web traffic nowadays come from mobile devices. We may not like how the world is changing, but it would make no sense to keep this place unaccessible for 50% of users.
Discourse is a very popular open source project, founded and designed by Jeff Atwood who is the person who also created StackOverflow (someone whose knowledge in the field is probably higher than mine and yours...). What makes Discourse interesting, in addition to its technical features, is its focus on encouraging civilized discussion. Its UX design is full of little details that try to reduce toxic behavior and increase the focus on content. It's also got powerful integrations that help fighting spam, triggering notifications for us so that we can answer more timely.
Discourse is the forum of choice of thousands of communities, including GitHub/Microsoft, Amazon (Woot, Ring), Twitter, Facebook, Samsung and many others.
I totally understand that people who have spent most time in the old forum are the ones who are most disappointed by the new interface. To be honest, when I first used a Discourse-based forum many years ago, I was puzzled because it did not look like a traditional one. My reference points were not there anymore! My habits, my workflows... This is what happens with all big changes. Whenever Facebook changes its interface, everyone say "it's horrible, I'll unsubscribe today". We've been all through that! Any poll would fail the day after such a rollout.
The fact that some Arduino team members expressed appreciation for the new forum is not because they lack a brain, but because they spend most of their time in many other tech communities (other open source projects and technologies) and thus are very used to modern forums.
People who hated SMF or had issues with it just stopped using the forum. They are not among us anymore. They're not commenting nor voting. This is called "survivorship bias" (Survivorship bias - Wikipedia)
In this thread, we're all survivors!
I hope this clarifies things a bit. I respect anyone's opinion, and I ask you to politely respect mine. A number of very good points were made in this thread and we already fixed many things; others are on their way. Let's collaborate 
And if you read until here... congratulations 
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Actual lists of bugs and feature requests please from behind the curtain.
Not everyone uses the GIT which I asked to be archived and purged ready for the new forum.
We had a maintained list in here when I was working with @Gorlum
Lets do this properly this time and avoid losing more people than we did with SMF.
Hello,
well, when I am asked for my opinion, I also give an answer. I have nothing against a new forum design. But you don't have to copy every crap either. Fact is, the overview suffers and thus also the usability. Against Facebook I have a deep aversion.
My main problem with the old forum was that I didn't get email notifications and I couldn't change anything in the settings. And I still don't get email notifications currently. So what good is the new forum design if basic things don't work?
There did appear to be an email issue this morning but it seems to be sorting itself out a little.
Double check all your profile settings carefully as there are some differences to the old system.
Yes. This already exists. Should it be used?
https://github.com/arduino/forum-issues
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I'll look at the settings again tomorrow. There should be a reset/default button. That would be good.
Yes please use that git.
Hopefully they will clean it up first
Nah, it was hidden from another of the so-called "features" of this type of forums (discourse) ... if 2 or 3 peoples flag a message, it become hidden from everyone automatically, without the intervent of a moderator (opposite than in the previous forum, where you notice a post and a mod need to decide what to do with it), so if anyone want to hide a post from an user (or any post that don't like), here is enough to flag it in 2 or 3 users ... instant censorship, i call it ...
I received a messag and edited a word in the post, and it re-appeared (and now, i may be happy if the ones that flagged it before, explain me clearly in what it was "inappropriate" ... if even it was ...
If you change the forum to german the world looks better. 
Let's see if I can still get used to it. Provided that the basics work.
Nobody has mentioned "The LACK of adverts"
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Absolute rubbish...go back to how it was.
New layout is too difficult to follow and looks like some 2 year old's paint book.
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By the way, icons disappeared again ... here is how i see the pages now ... no like, edit, etc, no options in post (not visible, and when i pass in the place where they are before, just gray boxes, i had to try all the boxes just for post the image)
By the way, icons disappeared again … here is how i see the pages now … no like, edit, etc, no options in post (not visible, and when i pass in the place where they are before, just gray boxes, i had to try all the boxes just for post the image)
Not for me. Win 10, Chrome browser
Confirm I also have the icons as per dogs pic.
I will be closing all issues in that tracker which are no longer relevant some time in the next week. It seems best to let the new forum stabilize a bit first, since there are quite some improvements being made right now in response to the excellent feedback from forum members.
There is no need to worry about "first". It makes no real difference that there are currently some outdated issues in the tracker. They absolutely need to be cleaned up, but that's no reason for anyone to refrain from opening new issues. I will be doing a conscientious review of each issue before closing it.
For those who prefer submitting bug reports on the forum, the "Website and Forum" category is the appropriate place.
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Yes people should use that GIT as it was not my intention to say don't use it if that's how it came across.
Alessandro has asked we use this thread for the moment which makes sense right now as this is where most of the action is.
All things considered I think it was a better start to the day than anticipated so well done to those running around out the back.
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An oddity discovered
Sliding the right margin of the window out then back converts to the post n of y shown. Bar graph shows relative position in the thread.
Win 10 w Opera
Newer security and log on requirements?
Well, I know nothing about that, but it has to be about the only sensible answer to the raft of complaints herein AND I saw somewhere that it was free. But I guess it just shows that you get what you pay for and yes, I guess it does prove my point that it was made by some clown who never used the Arduino Forum - he just makes forums. But surely, if there has to be a change, there are better options that are also free? This is truly the bottom of the barrel.
Now I've been down this road before. I use the DataCAD forum, which was indeed also overhauled a few years ago. There was nothing to really complain about, but I don't know why it was changed - maybe for the same security reason as this. I have seen other forums the same as DataCAD. I don't know if it was a freebie but I think DataCAD is fighting for its life, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
Now that's an interesting comment - along with that I saw somewhere about StackOverflow (?). It was pretty clear that that forum was run by a bunch of elitist jerks who ruled the place with a rod of iron. Dumping it for the Arduino Forum, as it was, was a seriously good move
We need a < sarcasm > as well as < soapbox > tags...
Tom...
My opinion of the new forum is that I will quite quickly find a way to work with it and it does appear more feature laden that the old one.
I think I agree. I have small complaints, but nothing really major. I haven't investigated new features yet...
Further, the migration appears to have gone well.
Also agreed.
Apart from the general usability, important IMHO was that external links (Google searches etc.) into the forum still work.
Which. BTW, is AMAZING and greatly appreciated.
So many major chip vendors seem to consider this unimportant; they'll upgrade something in their official vendor forums, and all the links into important information that people had posted stop working
The home page is too busy. The individual forum pages have too much empty space, and I do miss the "updated topics" page (the drop-down MIGHT be an OK substitute, after I'm used to it.)
I'm sure I'll have other complaints; but overall this is pretty good!
(Oh yeah. I'm old and been here a long time...)
(What ?!!! Only 3 "anniversary" badges! Hmmph! I've been here over 13 years.)
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I guess I'm going to look for the exit to the forum. I hate endless scrolling. Paginated views any time.
But 90% of internet is towards mobile first, so I understand you want to be one of them sheep, but I think most coders are still on a desktop/laptop and Discorse is a waste on screen estate for normal browser users. I'll be hanging at Adafruit.com from now one first. When I get stuck there, I'll try the messy new platform here. And round avatars.... Yikes. Luckily one can block round frames around images with a user-style-sheet.
Add me to the list of users that will disappear. Quickly.
It’s absolutely horrible. On an iPad, it’s even worse. Posting is impossibly difficult.
Good job of killing what was a perfectly usable forum.
Hi,
I'm not sure if its been mentioned, I just dragged an image file from another window into the edit area and it copied.
Tom...
My problem is that I do get email notifications and with the amount I post I simply don’t want them. Tried all sorts of settings but nothing seems to stop them.
I wish I could make a trade with you. I was getting email just as expected yesterday, but not a single one today. That is a significant problem for me because I consume the forum exclusively via email.
I don't need the emails, probably because I'm addicted to the forum and am hanging around here far too much
I'm now getting a few but can live with that.
Just tried the unsubscribe option from the email itself, I will see if that works.
Maybe a bug; just received a message that I earned my first flag. I however have flagged a couple of posts yesterday for move. This message came in after I flagged a post for spam.
First Flag
This badge is granted the first time you flag a post. Flagging is how we all help keep this a nice place for everyone. If you notice any posts that require moderator attention for any reason please don’t hesitate to flag. If you see a problem, flag_black flag it!
Chocolate
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Why do you think this is a bug? Badges are not granted instantly
Some of you asked where can you see post numbers: just click on the minutes/hours text in the top-right corner of the post:
And you'll see the post number:
As a shortcut, you can avoid the click by just hovering on it and looking at the URL in the bottom bar:
Post number is the last one after the /.
More in general, I think this is a X-Y problem: we're used to referring to post numbers because there were no other facilities to refer to a post. Now there are better quoting functions and a share button:
The link provided by the share button can be pasted inside posts and it will create a direct reference. Much faster than even reading and copying post numbers
With so much other clutter on the screen it would not hurt to display the post number explicitly to avoid the need for kludges involving clicking a non obvious icon or interpreting a URL
The vertical scrolling date and post count display is just eye candy taking up space
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Is there a way to reverse the thread and have the last post at the top?
It’s incredibly painful to scroll down 210 messages on a smartphone...
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No.
You can get the post number like this, you can also get a link to it like @cmaglie is saying.
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As far I as can tell I can no longer see which threads I've posted in, I've lost all information about other posters e.g. # of posts. I can't even see how old posts are without opening them. The useful "Select All" from code blocks seems have disappeared. And I still haven't found the apparently vital "grave accent" on all my devices.
It's been fun but I think it's over now. The forum may look prettier but it's just too difficult to use. It's nothing like any of the several other forums I regularly use and I'm too old too waste a lot of time learning new ways to do things that used to work just fine.
I'll maybe have a look again in a while to see if anything has improved.
Steve
Not since I pointed it out and "The Management" found an option to turn it on. Now when the cursor is within a code block an icon appears top/right of the block. Clicking it copies the text in the code block to the clipboard
I am fairly sure that although 50% of all internet use is on mobile devices, this figure is not the same for people using this forum, and for sure not for people initially posting. One would use the same device that one is using to compile and upload normally speaking. There are some moderators and helpers that look at their phone and generate useful information to an OP, but my guess is that the percentage is closer to 5% for use of this forum.
Once there are updated topics, they show up under the "Unread" button, took me a while to find it too.
I suppose i will get used to the new layout (and feel) , and probably the automatic preview on the right should have it's benefit that people will format their post properly (at least more so than on the old forum ^&$^^$ use Fr#@$@$ code-tags !!)
About those code-tags, (or pre-formatted content) I had some difficulty editing within them until i hit the space-bar 4 times after every CR.
The main issue i've run into so far that i have not found a quick solution to is that: "in a long thread, like this one. If i want to use the side-bar to scroll to the top of the thread, i have to do that in stages, up, up again after earlier responses have been dynamically added, and it takes a few times. Normally i rarely take part in these lengthy discussions, but here i am involved, and i think it should be fixed.
I just noticed that if you hover over it there is a small copy icon that appears top right.
That copies the content. Admittedly that's a bit hidden.
Yup, it was disabled by default.
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Other useful topics on their forum are:
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Found that one as well, click on your avatar on the top-right, and you will see a list of you most recent notifications. click on the arrow at the bottom of that list and select 'activity' and all your recent posts (and responses) should show up.
Which seems a strange default value in view of the nature of the code block
I wonder what other configurations options there are and how many of them were considered when setting up the system
No doubt there are more unknown unknowns
I was catching up wit the posts and saw later your reply, sorry double posting
Not sure if it's possible to reverse it, but if you click on the time of last post at the bottom of the right navigation bar the last message will appear istanstly
there is no such bar on a smartphone, just a useless non clickable overlay that prevents you from reading the text underneath it...
if I try to grab the small scroll bar that appears when I scroll down and drag it all the way down, the number increases but when I let go thinking I'm all the way down, it actually leaves me just a few post later
Should be clickable like this, doesn't it work?
To be fair I tested on desktop and not on mobile but I'd expect to work the same way.
It's indeed clickable if you try a few times or hit right (may be double hit?) and once you get the popup it does work as your quick video shows on iOS. Could do
Hi @slipstick. There are now multiple options for creating code blocks. The "grave accent" (more commonly referred to as "backtick") is required for the "fenced code block" style, but there are two other options if you don't have a backtick:
- Select the code and then click the
</>button on the reply toolbar:
- Indent all the code by four spaces (Basic Syntax | Markdown Guide)
- Use BBCode, just like in the old forum. Just add
[code]on the line before the code and [/code] on the line after.
Maybe my interpretation of the text
[quote]This badge is granted the first time you flag a post
[/quote]
And "Copy for Forum" from the IDE still works to add the code tags for you
To add to that, I am in principal happy to update my guides but at the moment it's going to take some time. I don't really want to touch them until I am more comfortable with the forum as it is so that my changes fit in well with the new format. I'm thinking about it, but don't expect it any time soon.
I've just started using it a bit, and particularly the code-tags are still a bit of a hassle when i just want to type a bit of code as an explanation. OK if i use & it works, but there used to just be a shortcut for that, and that doesn't yield the proper result anymore. It should be an easy fix to create or use that. I might even be able to stick it under a key of my keyboard.
The IDE then adds them for you, the forum doesn't do anything.
And with Quote the same thing applies. If i select a part of someone else 's msg the quote-tags are added, but if i click the balloon it doesn't work as expected (and want)
I am pretty sure these buttons can be made to do whatever we want them to do. And i for one, want them to do what they used to do. (i suppose the link button is ok the way it is)
You know i can get used to a layout and find my way navigating. And the colour scheme is fine (very important !)
The easiest option is probably to type the code in the IDE then right click and use Copy for forum, but it is a real shame the the </> icon does not put the code tags in for you but rather expects that you will indent code by 4 spaces, which is a nuisance to say the least
Oh dear, the balloon now just quotes the first message, why would i want to do that ?
where i can add something.
Just to motivate this, in many cases i would want to respond to several issues / questions within the same post separately, possibly with parts from other post or even other sources.
that means opening the IDE and creating a new sketch, nah not gonna do it that way.
i am going for typing 'code' and squared braces
Yeah but some of the buttons have changed since yesterday already and my aim is to let this be the next modification.
Interesting but unfortunately not really as helpful as the little marker that used to appear as I was browsing the subject listings showing that this was a thread I had posted in. Useful to cause one to think to check where the conversation had wandered off to.
Steve
Well in the list, your avatar shows up next to the topic name if you have posted in it.
That is sort of a marker...
There was never any support for inline code formatting in SMF. This is something I always missed badly and was never happy with the workarounds.
For experienced forum users, I really think that if you just start adding the fenced code blocks manually you won't ever miss the old button's behavior. I have been doing this for years on GitHub and never bothered to use the button they provide.
As for newcomers, it is not such a great situation. it's only a single extra step to highlight the code they posted before clicking the </> button, but we were having enough trouble getting them to do it correctly even before. On top of that, the new support for Markup and HTML makes it even more likely that things in the unescaped code will be interpreted as markup.
For example, this code:
#include <functional>
#ifdef FOO
# define BAR
when posted without using a code block is rendered like this:
#include
#ifdef FOO
define BAR
< and > also interfere with normal posting <ctrl>F will not show unless you use the triple backtick (as done here).
And yes, it's nice to be able to do inline code without nobbc tags.
single backticks is sufficient for inline code formatting. This Markdown:
posting :frowning: `<ctrl>F` will not show
Renders as:
posting <ctrl>F will not show
It's only when you are doing a code block that the triple backtick ``` fencing is required.
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Thanks for the hint on triple versus single.
WHAT !
You mean to say that you don't have the IDE open at all times whilst using the forum !!!!!!!!
No need to start a new sketch. Leave the IDE open, click in the IDE, Ctrl+A to select the whole current code then just start typing the new code as the existing code will be deleted
And now I've found I can't post because I'm a noob, and I've exceeded my daily post quota, and have had a sixteen hour wait.
I guess that bit got left out of testing too, huh?
I further guess that I'm not the only one in this particular boat, and that's why this topic has gone a bit quiet, and not because there's been a sudden outbreak of "Wow! it's really not so bad as we first thought" (Well, that's one Orwellian way to suppress dissent)
Where is the SARCASM tag wen you need it LOL
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Yet you just posted ?
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Yes, after sixteen hours after my last post.
Passed upstairs for additional comment.
Weirdest thing of the new forum is that it no longer has a LOGIN menu... You need to login on arduino.cc then come back here.
Good thing is it works without Javascript, in fact, without it looks better and easier on the eyes. Only bothersome thing without JS is that it lacks a button to go to the last page in that case.
We can't say that about the regular Arduino.cc content which is just white with JS disabled.
You will need a plugin like this:
It kills all the useless CSS transitions and the obnoxious fades on certain post backgrounds.
Hallo,
the problem with the #include seams to be not fixed until now. I also found another real problem with HTML code inside of code tags like here.
best regards Heinz
and also
Those are an age old issue from before this new forum.
Hopefully they will be able to fix the AUTH issues now we are on newer software.
Fingers crossed
Because I know for certain you're anything but a "noob", I have remedied this specific part of the problem.
I don't know what is the cause of the other issue that resulted in your current "SteelyEyedMissileMan" situation rather than being able to use your traditional account. Hopefully the admins will be able to resolve that.
That's intended behavior, actually
You can see an explanation of the trust levels: Understanding Discourse Trust Levels
@pert raised your trust level manually since we know you're not a noob
But if you were an actualy newcomer, rate limits would apply for the first days.
Regarding the account issue, just PM me with your e-mail and we'll check what accounts exist for it. Also please point us to a link to one of your old threads so that we can check the account they are linked to
May you help me understanding more on this?
This is how the top navigation bar is expected to look:
Note the Login button in the top right corner. We did not notice this behaviour while testing the login functionality and I don't think is the same issue the old forum had.
BTW small feature request: there is no striketrough text (something I love when editing specific area of a post to clarify the edit).
Do you mean something like this?
How did you post a video ?
Is not a video, is an animated gif 
But to post video can be a very useful feature ... if they can add ...
Guglielmo
Yes it would as I have to redirect users to YT for short explanation clips.
We also need ZIP files back too.
@alranel I would love to keep track of this publicly, so that forum staff (employees + moderators) are aligned on the status of this kind of requests. I'm not sure the forum-issues repo is the best place (separate account, separate website, hard to reference/link).
BTW citing members with @name works I missed that very badly.
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+1 on needing this, with underline too.
Any chance on colors ? that's friendly when you want to highlight something.
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Just tried in Italian Spam Bar and ... I inserted a .zip file inside my post ... where do you run into problems with .zip?
Guglielmo
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Already requested that myself.
Even if it has to go in the staff area we need a common list to be able to track.
We had one for SMF
It did not translate the colour coding on import to discourse that I had in SMF. 
testing insert zip
- select UPLOAD
- select FROM MY DEVICE
- Browse for and select the file.
- and now it works but did not yesterday
Self_Tending_Garden.zip (11.7 KB)
This is why we need a darned list of issues so we can see what was fixed.
...and you just pinged @name
I agree. At least one of the issues that I had is now working differently and I suspect it was fixed by silently changing a setting which is not very satisfactory.
Maybe I misunderstand your post, but you can use Markdown for this:
https://www.markdownguide.org/extended-syntax/#strikethrough
This Markdown:
~~strikethrough this!~~
renders as:
strikethrough this!
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I wish that you were joking but I fear that you are not. Entering markup code went out with the Ark, if not before. The last time I used such a thing was using WordStar on MSDOS.
So, here we are with this shiny new forum software with a modern GUI interface and are being directed to using manual markup. This cannot be right
I note that there are no visible Markdown controls showing for the bold attribute. How did you achieve that ?
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... no chance of having the option to include videos too?
Guglielmo
I think the point here is noobs will not want to learn to use markdown etc.
It should be a feature and not a long winded process requiring another learning curve.
My 2C
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No idea, am not a part of the team that works on the forum.
Ah, sorry ...
Guglielmo
I am not @pert, just some time on my hands and playing around. How about:
Will display as:
~~Some text~~ is shown Some text.
Willem
Well, I guess maybe I'm old-school because I don't at all mind manually adding Markdown. However, I never once manually entered BBCode. So there is a significant different for me with Markdown.
There should be a B button on the post toolbar:
I think it was the same on SMF. Do you not have that?
You can also use the Ctrl/⌘ + B shortcut.
I have those, but I just go ahead and use Markdown manually:
**bold this!**
Some examples here:
I agree completely.
What do you see as a potential common situation that would force a newcomer to use Markdown?
To me, I think the GUI controls should provide all the functionality a newcomer needs. Sure, you don't have strikethrough or syntax highlighting, but they don't need either of those things.
Also keep a Unix window open with
killall avrdude
ready to go for those failing downloads.
a7
I don't see anything that would require users to actually learn and use the markdown language.
They will look for the icon to do what they need and if they don't see it easily they will simply revert to poorer posts without the effect they looked for.
Underline and strikethrough are common enough features to be included as standard as icons for ease of use.
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+100
Uh oh. With coloured text, these colours just disappeared and reverted to black/grey. How has strike-through been handled in the migration ? Just losing the strike-through could have significantly altered the intended meaning of a part of a post. I can't think of any examples to check.
There is and I knew there was and I knew that you had used it. Why did you use the button instead of entering the Markdown code I wonder ?
How do you know that?
I think @Robin2 had some texte with strikethrough in his nRF24l01 tutorial
seems some stuff appears in red highlight
this seems to be the del tag within angle brackets <>
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Could someone clarify the New and Unread indicators for me. Let's suppose I am tracking the Project Guidance sub-category, and on my previous visit I "dismissed" any remaining New or Unread items. But on returning to Project Guidance a day later, there are numbers beside both indicators. I assumed New includes both new topics and all new replies to old topics - since my previous dismissal. Is that right, or does it mean something else? But then what's included in Unread? I'm sorry to be dense about this stuff. Just trying to figure it out.
So, according to the 'Understanding Discourse Trust Levels' blog, it appears that I will forever be at Trust Level 1 simply because I refuse to participate in the "like" nonsense.
I've been here for more than a dozen years, I think I deserve better than that.
Don
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Never mind. Have a like from me!
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Thanks, but you have to cast a like as well....
Don
Actually Per, you are right, I didn't know it, but you were the one that referred to the button on the toolbar
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The red highlighting could be misleading, implying the unwanted text is important. I don't think I have used it very often, fortunately.
agreed
I'm guessing changing profile picture doesn't work because it needs to be judged for appropriateness by some human.
a7
I ask again.
For whom were all the modernisms i.e. likes, badges, achievements, special honors &c. added to the fora?
Not for meme.
Sign on three days in a row and get coins!
a7
A bitcoin for each helpful answer
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@alto777, that is a good question. That mechanism is pretty useless for seasoned users hence the funny (or unamusing) effect of getting a new badge every day. They are actually designed for newcomers because they reinforce positive behavior and facilitate learning-by-doing. They usually help forum moderators in mitigating the inappropriate behavior from new users.
You can read more in this write up: The Gamification
So for the first days we will all be granted many badges, but of course this will settle after we reach the "normal user" state. We will definitely be able to fine-tune them after seeing how thing go.
In addition, there are the badges like Shannon Member, Faraday Member etc. which were ported from the old forum. They are mapped to number of posts. We're going to post the scale very soon.
Well, no! Everyone's managing their profile pictures in a self-service way. Can you provide more details about the issue you're seeing?
This could (should) have been part of the batch rules when porting user from the old forum to the new... save the frustration from the old timers or heavy contributors...
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Yikes. This seems more 1984 than 2021 to me.
I guess we all children now to you.
Good boy, thanks for the reply, srsly.
a7
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Umm, I changed my profile picture using the available tools. I see the change in this, a different device, in the area where you do these changes.
My posts use the old picture, let’s see if this one does too…
a7
Now they are returned for me too (before, i had only white spaces that turns in light pink or light gray boxes, maybe cause i'm on win7 and use firefox ? ... or maybe cause my system automatically reject all the dangerous scripts from pages , especially if coming from external servers different from the one where the page is, example all the googleviruses, who know ?)
Well when you get older: we drool again, need diapers again, you need a bib again, we lose our teeth, we lose our hair and we waddle when we walk.
So yes old timers are children.
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Uhm ... just wondering why the forum script constantly try to preload 27 different .js each time i open a page, overloading the browser without any need ...
I just wrote in a post someting like the line below.
float a = * (float*) &x;
The editor ate the * symbols and this resulted in faulty source code.
Is this the intention or is there something else going on?
And now I see that the index in the PC version actually does tell you that there has been action in a section, but the phone version doesn't. So much for being biased towards mobile devices!
The arrogance of that statement by alranel is simply unbelievable.
Who do they think they are?
Apparently only Ballscrewbob tested this forum?
No beta testing was done by those who actually use the forum?
.
I only got a very very short test session before being locked out with a login problem.
Other testers were also subject to the odd lockout issue and maybe two other people actually got to do any sort of testing.
I was also away for a week of that two week test period.
Not my monkey Not my Circus
Let's try
float a = * (float*) &x;
Looks OK to me Can you share the link to that post?
How can we view the past posts of a ‘New User’ ?
Click on the user's avatar. And next click on the avatar in the popup. Not sure if that is what you're asking for.
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Phew! I was getting worried you had installed some spyware on my computer or something
Would I tell you if I had, but I still think that it was a good guess as to how you made the word bold !
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Look out Big Brother is watching
I just got this message
You’ve replied 3 times to @pert in this particular topic!
A great discussion includes many voices and perspectives. Can you get anybody else involved?
And don’t forget, if you’d like to continue your conversation with this particular user at length outside of public view, send them a personal message.
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Exactly the problem, and my workaround now is that i have a text file on my desktop containing square braced code & /code & quote & /quote. It was just to iffy doing it with preformatted text, and to confusing. The workaround i am happy with, and of course now i can add other lines of code that i use a lot for a quick copy paste, but for the newbies this probably means that even more code will get into their posts not properly formatted. While before we could just tell them to use code-tags, now we have to tell them, eh.. 'use code-tags, we know they don't work the way we want, but maybe you can try..' I don't think i will bother to ask now, and just skip the post.
Oh.. how is Robin handling the new forum ? I hope he hasn't completely dropped it.
Robin was missing from the old forum for a while before the changeover. He has been unwell but hopefully will be back. He is in for a shock when he returns !
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No i don't actually, unlike my workflow with mechanics, soldering and sewing, i keep my desktop clean and empty, running only what i am actually using and closing that once i am done. Must be a habit from music production on older machines.
I wondered about that when my son got an achievement award in school (still don't know what he actually achieved)
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Thank you
Anyway, something else that showed up in this long post is that if i reply to someone, my reply gets added to the bottom of the list (which for this forum is probably better than FB behavior), but then also the focus gets moved there... that i don't want, i want to read all the other nonsense that came after that.
Thinking about that, for this thread FB behavior would be better, maybe it is possible to make that an option to the OP ?!
Well there you go, new forum, no one likes it much, it is all wrong, but if we could add features that would be cool.
You ask. This is amazing mess, there's no borders that devides sections, upper menu is taking too much space (nothing learned from the old forum with the same problem)... and what is that scroll bar with dates? Font is crappy when zoomed out for more information...
C'moon, how do I personalize this interface?
I am sorry, but this is awful.
Cheers,
Kari
Edit. How do I disable suggested topics? Why are they even there? I know what I want, not suggestions.
I do, but...
i may also just want to take one or a few lines from 'code' and make a comment on that. I don't want that to be shown as a quote (as is the default now), but rather in between code-tags. I understand you think it is all there and it works, but i have to change a lot of the auto-generated stuff and add a lot of stuff that isn't generated.
PERHAPS THE LOSS OF POST COUNT AND RANKS MAY FORCE SOME OF THE LONGTIME MEMBERS TO TREAT EVERYONE EQUALLY.
/rant
(Who, me, angry?)
I see that four of our forum members are 'Licensed' by virtue of having completed the 'Advanced User Tutorial'.
It would be nice to know how to find that tutorial.
I tried using the term 'Advanced User Tutorial' as a search criteria but as just a Basic user I was not able to comprehend the relationship between my search criteria and the search results.
I did the same search on Google and found that participants in other forums using this software have the same problem. The answers involved sending a specific message to 'discobot' but when I tried that here I received a reply that read: Hi! To find out what I can do, say @discobot display help.
I'm not sure what that means.
Don
Hi! To find out what I can do, say @discobot display help.
I will never treat everyone equally, people that i know have helped a lot of people and whose input i value, i simply value more.
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I would also love to do that.
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Seems like only forum administrators can do ... read HERE
For more info search on Google "discourse how to hide suggested topics"
Guglielmo
I think this thread
shows quite clearly what happens in the current setup of the forum. With this i will rest my case.
I guess that happens when people don't use code tags
But it's indeed a mess. I've seen another post where three backticks suddenly showed somewhere in the post; but from memory, that was a recent one.
Ah, e.g Duda sobre while (fácil)
Oh, great ! ... now is the forum that decide how much times you can reply to another user, not yourself ... from bad to worse, perhaps ... how much time before appears the barbwire fences ? 
So, is there any mechanism to add this to the editing toolbar - alongside B and I ?
What about subscripts and superscripts ?
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" Hi! To find out what I can do, say @discobot display help."
How do I "say" something on the forum?
I think I am too old for this nonsense....
Don
At some magical time in the future, you will be sent an email titled “Now that you’ve been promoted, it’s time to learn about some advanced features!” the robot will then announce:
“ Reply to this message with @discobot start advanced tutorial to find out more about what you can do.”
Don’t know what triggers this magical time. 
There's an post upstream in this thread with a link to the description of the things you need to do to advance a trust level. To my surprise, I accidentally did whatever those things are yesterday and am now more trustworthy than some of the moderators, which just seems wrong.
@ metermannd
Someone with 39 posts should know better than to SHOUT if they want to be taken seriously
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The marvels of Element Hiding Helper from Adblock are very welcome on the new forum.
He did use code-tags, or well he hit the </> button and this is the result.
Login is still flakey. I wanted to do a test with a Nano 33 BLE and forgot that it has a tendency to hard crash my Mac. I hadn't upgraded the board data for a while so hopefully doing so will fix that issue.
However, when the Mac came back up and reloaded the site, I was logged out. As before, logging in at Arduino.cc didn't help. Again I had to wait until the site offered me the opportunity to create a new account at which point it realized who I was. As a fun bonus, I had to accept cookies for the twentieth time or so.
You only have to accept cookies if your browser cache was cleared.
Maybe you have something set to auto clean the browser on exit ?
No, ".zip" files should not be permitted.
They represent a security risk.
We had them before and now we have them again.
I would though hope this newer site is able to scan them.
No auto clear that I'm aware of. It seems much the same as the behavior on the old forum- once a week or so it asks me to accept cookies.
If I ever do housekeeping to clean out cookies, I see loads of them, so I don't think that they are being culled automatically.
I will certainly still be allowed an answer here. You now have an ultra modern forum, but the icon look does not really fit.
Also, I will probably very difficult to get used to the new look. For me, it's too much around each post. It's just distracting. The slider bar in the margin without page numbers is okay. But the rest is just too much for me right now.
You just have to ask yourself what a forum is for. To ask questions, give answers and share experiences. It doesn't need much for that. It does not have to be colorful. That's just a thought-provoking suggestion.
This quote spoiler will probably also be easily overlooked. One answers and the at least know what one refers to.
Otherwise, the basic functions that have not worked for years finally work. At least that's progress.
It's been a while since I last replied to anything you wrote, Mike - I hope you remember me (one of my first posts I had, way back then, you told me to define my acronyms and such - I'll never forget that).
But yeah - here I am logging in - and omgwtfbbq!! - not this again (I recall the last time - it wasn't pretty!)...sigh.
I'm looking around now - and trying to figure out if they kept any of the old content (specifically for me - my old "RX2TX2 RC car megathread").
I honestly don't know why they do this kind of thing - and/or why they seem to have forgotten what happened the last time (what was it, 2013? It's been a while)...
EDIT:
Ok - "save as" did not work - I scrolled this entire thread to load it up - and saved it - and when I went to load it locally - 10 or so comments, and the rest was "blank". That isn't useful at all.
Plus - it took a long time to scroll to the top...we need pages back - I agree on that.
And some way to "save entire thread" and "expand all comments"...sigh.
ORIGINAL:
Is there any way to save a thread? I mean - in the old forum, you could go into a "printed format" mode, or just "save the page" - and sure, you'd have to page thru each one, but you could easily save the threads and discussion, to browse offline, etc.
This is very important!
I've been on the internet long enough (since 1993) that I have seen websites, discussion forums, newsgroups, etc - come and go - and often, the content is lost forever. While arduino.cc and the forum have weathered the years fairly well, all considered - I don't think they or this forum is immune to this "law" of the internet.
Someday, arduino.cc will cease to exist - and the content may (probably will) go with it.
But just like I still own and love the computer I grew up with (TRS-80 Color Computer) - it is important to have the "documentation" and "discussions" - otherwise, the hardware becomes nearly worthless.
Which is why I like to save old threads from here, on occasion. Good reference material abounds in this forum for the Arduino. I was able to find some of the old threads, so at least the debacle from the last time the forum was updated has been learned from, I think. Even so, that doesn't replace an offline copy.
So far (maybe - I haven't tried it) the only way perhaps to save a thread is to scroll....scroll...scroll to the end - loading all the comments - and then (maybe?) "save as" the page. Again, I don't know if that will work or not...
Honestly don’t now what you are asking.
Have you seen this list of your posts ?
I like the new forum. Its different and confusing. I can't find my messages. Had to re-figure out code tags... But I was bored to death with the old forum and never really liked it that much. At least this is new with stuff to explore.
I really like that people can tag a post as "the solution" that's pretty neat.
-jim lee
Yes, I eventually found the megathread and old stuff - so I guess they brought over all or most of it (no way to really know at this point - I mean it has been something like a decade that I've been a member - though only recently started posting after a long hiatus - and nothing like my former frequency, either).
But in my second post - I just mainly want three things:
- A way to "expand all comments" for a thread
- A way to save all the comments for a thread
- ...and something better than "endless scroll" - though I did see the "date/scroller" picker thing on the right-hand side
Part of me wonders if these new changes look or work better if you're on a phone, versus a regular PC and browser...
/oh, and I also want a pony
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I think that most of us are sophisticated enough to know if we can trust a zip file containing a large project.
There's certainly a lot of nice improvements, and 'changes' that are unfamiliar.
Sure there's going to be a teething problem or two.
The things I notice immdiately are -
- the old forum was a lot more 'linear' when you were dealing with a topic.
- There's a lot more bum-floss that distracts from the actual content.
- Users here are going to be more critical (for better or worse) - because they''re often developers in their own right.
Web development is completely different to embedded C++ coding - different methods and goals.
They're not like a 'flower arranging' forum... take it or leave it.
It will settle down, and we'll get used to it.
BUT I hope the Discourse devs are listenig to us as much as they want us to hear them, because there are a cohort of long-time forum members that have probably a combined legacy of 200+ years of directly relevant experience that could help Discourse become a better tool.
Generally I like the new format, and will give it time, but would love to see some of the unnecessary, little-used tinsel get thrown away.
Ok, don't have time to ready every post in this thread to see if this has been covered.
Major things I do NOT like:
No obvious indication of threads that I have replied to in the past - that used to be easy to spot.
Layout is way more cluttered, the old forum showed more posted topics on a single page.
No separation of a thread into multiple pages, instead of this irritating method of loading more posts as I scroll down the page. I absolutely hate not being able to actually see how long the webpage is, and I cannot reliably use a search in my web browser because it cannot search content that is not yet loaded onto the page.
I'll try and get used to working around the new format, but in the long run I have a feeling I'll end up visiting the forum less and less until I just don't care anymore.
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How about RSS feed, I can't find it, is it there somewhere? That is the only way I check for new topics, I don't want to come here and wonder around...
Cheers,
Kari
I think that topics you post on show a light blue icon when there are new posts. At least that's the pattern I've noticed. Although I'm still foggy on where I saw the blue icons. BUT I know I did because that's how I found that this thread had new posts!
Still looking around here & there and under the carpets..
-jim lee
Any one know how badges work?
What is a Jackson badge?
Also specifically why I have not got a Brattain one? Seeing as I was the first Brattain member on this forum.
May be some answers here: https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-are-badges/32540
The gamification link is interesting.
I think because of your post count, you are now a “Jackson”
i.e. Grumpy_Mike Jackson
OK I asked for that, but do you know what post count it represents.
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This should be on the top of this kilometres looong mess.
it's not about the 50/50 distribution on todays webtraffic, not about the arduino.cc homepage. It's all about the usage of THIS forum. Do you have statistics of how many posts in this forum are written mobile, how many on desktops? How is the distribution if you check answers, only. How does it change if you check answers with karma - the posts which were marked as valueable answer?
This forum concentrates around an IDE. The IDE is mostly used on desktops. I just can't belive that someone needing help during programming, will grab his phone and put in the question on another device (beside the fact that he might be dissapointed about the current desktop design).
Wait, we just had a post in the German forum where someone posted source codes in 5 pictures made from a desktop screen, may be that was posted from a smartphone. Is this the new way of working you want to see more often?
The forum rules expect the user to post code together with the question. Lot of helpers here have the IDE running in parallel to be able to reproduce errors, apply fixes and answer with WORKING code. Do you really expect anyone will do this on a phone?
In other words, in my opinion it's a huge mistake not to optimize the layout for desktop users as it will disattraced helpers to contribute to this forum.
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No, not on a technical forum.
This is a place where 95% (ok, maybe 90%) of peoples use their PC for work and experiment with Arduino and other hardware/software combinations, thing that you CANNOT do on a mobile device like a dumbphone (don't call "smart" something that is not, please), and maybe 5 or 10 % of curious that read it occasionally from dumbphones, so absolutely no reason for turn a good technical forum in a waste of scrollpages for dumbphones ... if really is SO needed (thing that is not), there are forum scripts that have an option for users for have an optional version for mobile maintaining the main forum optimized for PC.
7.4 actually, if i recall correctly.
This means absolutely nothing ... or you mean that you choosen it just cause some other peoples done the same ? ... is not that if you see other peoples jump off from a bridge, you do the same just cause "also the others are doing it", right ? ... other than this, just the fact that also asocial networks like twitter and facebook are using it, is a good reason for avoid it like a plague (and no, this is NOT a joke)
"disappointed " is not the correct term ... but i'm too civil and educate for use all the more correct and descriptive terms for explain what i really think about it.
So will do lots of others, you will see.
If SMF was really so bad (thing that is a bit difficult to trust, being used without problems from many other places), and was so difficult to upgrade for the changes made, why not just restart a test forum from the last version, or (if you really want to pass from free to paid) switch to something more serious and secure than discourse, like as example vbulletin or similar ? ... After all, discourse is not free, too ...
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I I don't know if you have already found out, but YES, it is possible to insert videos in posts, even YouTube ones ... you just have to paste the link in your post. Just tried in Spam bar
Guglielmo
I am very satisfied. Already feels like home. It is like driving a new better car.
Only funny thing was the filtering of the categories I want to follow. Adding and deleting them in large count was like playing Moorehuhn or Angry Birds.
is there a way to NOT display the "Category" summary above the content of a forum.
For exemple going to the French forum
The posts of the forum should get the prime estate in the page, everything else is a distraction... please help me get rid of the categories
And on the topic of real estate use, this is really counter productive... We have so much non relevant / verbiage added to the the screen that the content disappear...
Just testing my inflated title under preferences to see where it appears.
Edit:
Not here. Then where ?
do you mean " Supreme overlord of the Galaxy (and part time programmer)" ? it shows if I click on your name/icon
That's me. Yes I've just found it. Thanks. Having enjoyed my moment of power, I'll revert back to a lower status. But how does @TomGeorge get such a signature? I can't see that in preferences.
You're making it a bit too simple...
Reinstalling from scratch a vanilla SMF (if you ever manage to do so without issues with the user/posts database... good luck with that) will lead only to a server crash under the load of the 300K users in the exact moment you put it online.
Many patches have been applied to fix or workaround performance issues. And when I say "performance issues" I include, just to give you an example, people losing their posts because the server cannot handle the request...
I was one making the first transition from YaBB to SMF 11 years ago (do you remember it?) and, even if at the time the forum was 1/100 in size compared to now, we already had a lot of troubles. Just to give you an example: I had to implement a ban system on top of SMF, because the moderator tools available from vanilla SMF+Plugins were not effective to block spam.
Even then there were complaints (and I've been insulted freely) because users were used to YaBB and because "why changing YaBB that works so well?". For the record: YaBB is a horrible forum software made in PERL that has 10x the scalability problems we found in SMF and it's basically unmaintainable.
So, I state it again, KUDOS to the Arduino Web Team (that I'm not currently part of, luckily seeing the amount of work they put here ). They deserve respect for this forum migration that went so smooth, this is a massive accomplishment.
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may be @TomGeorge just types it (a keyboard shortcut goes a long way)
I second that. Handling a transition of anything with 1 million registered users - including some very vocal ones - and decades of history and getting most stuff working within 1 day of interruption is indeed quite an accomplishment. Respect to the hard work I'm sure that went into planing the migration.
What I regret though is that there was limited UI/UX testing done before the transition and opportunity to hear user feedback. Key design decisions were made by people not using the forum heavily whereas those volunteering sometimes a big part of their precious time on earth to help for free the Arduino company and keep this community vibrant and supported (for various personal motivations) were kept out in the dark and had no voice.
So asking after the facts those now "basic users "how do you like the change" is the part that is not best practice. That's where it all should have started, with beta testing opened more widely. I'm not saying it's simple, but if the team could pull the migration, I'm sure they could have pulled that one too.
future will tell.
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The database migration seems to have gone well from what I can see, but the change of user experience is what catches most people out, me included
There really should have been a guide produced explaining how to do common tasks compared to SMF and that goes even more for moderator functions . As it is we are all stumbling through using Discourse to the best of our limited ability
For instance, it took me ages to find out how to move a topic to a different category. It turned out to be easy but I had several false starts as there is no obvious "MOVE" button although there is plenty of eye candy cluttering up the screen
It seems to me that Discourse suffers from trying to be all things to all types of areas in which it may be used when what we want is a forum environment focussed on providing support for the Arduino environment. That, of course, involves users easily posting code in a manner that does not corrupt it and which makes it easy to select and download for examination and testing by others. This has turned out to be extremely complicated and has not yet been solved
No doubt we will all get used to Discourse, and from what I understand we could not carry on using SMF for a variety of reasons
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OK. Thanks. I've now found this discussion on signatures on Discourse:
TL;DR
The argument against signatures, and one I find quite convincing, is that they would further increase the page clutter.
+1 to all of that
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I don’t want to start a fight here, but that’s easily the gayest pony I’ve ever seen!
(I have quite a few “friends” that would happily say the same thing !)
Most people don't like change, for the better or worse. After a while everyone settles down though.
This is true.
After a while everyone settles down
Yes or no. No-one (except Arduino staff) is really required to come and contribute. there are other forums where Arduino stuff is being discussed and answered. If the user experience is too cumbersome then people will go elsewhere.
Note that Arduino has no involvement in the development of the Discourse software, and Discourse has no involvement in the development of the Arduino software.
I very much doubt the Discourse developers are listening here. This is just one of many instances of the software they wrote. Surely they don't bother to follow all the forums that use their software.
But I agree that Arduino forum users might be able to provide some valuable feedback, or even directly contribute improvements or bug fixes to the code base. If you want to communicate with the Discourse developers, you should use the formal channels:
https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
What do you mean by "they want us to hear them"?
Am not required to contribute here really and no one asked me to, It's my choice.
I chose to join after the migration because I didn't like the previous forum usability and how outdated it was, also I think Discourse is a great piece of software. So here I am.
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Hello,
sorry but there are still problems with #include in a lot of posts and also big problem with HTML code include the old code tags. see my post from yesterday.
best regards Heinz
OK. good to know and everyone is entitled to an opinion, so yours is as valuable as others.
Yes the old forum was outdated - but I've yet to become as efficient as I were before and some of the new UX decision is pushing me away because it's just too painful. I'll see overtime but so far my issue resolution contribution is clearly down.
Hey, cool! I thought I was the only one left in the world who still uses RSS feeds.
I see there are multiple options:
- "Latest posts": https://forum.arduino.cc/posts.rss
- "Latest topics": https://forum.arduino.cc/latest.rss
Then there are feeds for each category. For example, here's the one for topics in the "Website and Forum" category:
https://forum.arduino.cc/c/community/website-and-forum/40.rss
I use this nice Chrome extension to get feeds:
https://github.com/shevabam/get-rss-feed-url-extension
See this statement from alranel earlier in the thread:
True
That depends on your definition of "settles down"
It can vary from encompassing the new system and seeing the benefits it brings, through putting up with the new system despite its shortcomings, to simply not using the system at all
I am not sure yet which category I am in
The changeover could have been handled much better. Technically it seems to have been a success but little or no thought seems to have been given to the users experience. Only at the very last minute were some experienced users allowed to log on the the test system and they had precious little time to look at anything and make comments, not that any action seems to have been taken on comments anyway
Moderators had a little longer to look at the system and make comments but from my experience little or no notice was taken of any comments made beyond demonstrable bugs. It did not help that only very few moderators seem to have looked and made comments or that some of us could not log in for a period of about a week due to a snafu of some kind
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Not sure if it was mentioned but smilies in old posts don't seem to be converted
E.g. ;) and :D
I confirm, and not just those two ...
Guglielmo
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to that.
We did try trust me but issues outside our control prevented much testing.
But now we have a whole new set to play with.
IMHO it is/was a minor glitch and re-working it now would be a PITA.
I will rework my posts They will all go to the top.
Ah never mind, too many posts to check 
That is exactly what's described in the Survivorship bias - Wikipedia - like posted from @alranel before. People which don't like it will technically die/leave the forum. This should not lead to the assumption, that everything is fine, and will be settled as time goes by.
I understand the need to go new ways technically some times, and if this means to go towards a different backend, fine. But I can't understand why literally no one at Arduino cares about user experience for desktop users. At least this the current impression I get when I read some of the comments. Yes, I'm using the forum with my mobile also, e.g. when on the road, but most of the answeres (beside this subforum) are from desktop.
"50/50 usage", "settle down after a while" is for sure not the kind of attitude I appreciate. "We understand your needs and we are working on it" would be the answer I would like to read.
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Almost exclusive desktop here and am finding the transition quite easy for general usage.
Moderator usages was a different story.
This new software is supposed to be "mobile friendly", but a slow scroll causes blinking of the top right, where my avatar winks on and off.
It's very distracting
(Android/Chrome [edit] and Firefox)
(I'm almost exclusively a mobile forum user)
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Arduino company is suicidal.
This forum, which only lives through volunteers, is vital for Arduino.
Very stupidly Arduino (Arduino SA or Arduino AG or Arduino LLC or .?, which of them?), imposes his choices without prior consulting with these volunteers, even the moderators have not been consulted .
Arduino is suicidal because if the volunteers, exceeded by so many contempt, leave this forum it will be the death of the Arduino company.
I do not contest the choice of the new forum engine, it is the responsibility of the Arduino company.
But I find it inadmissible that a test site has not been opened and open to the largest numbers, including the main contributors.
This could have been done gradually: first at most than 50,000 posts, then more than 20,000, 10,000, 5000, etc ...
This contempt can turn against Arduino in a few months if the company does not change attitude.
I have more than 10,000 posts, I do not want to bend without saying anything to diktats of people who manages the forum but does not use it every day as volunteers do.
If this attitude of contempt continues, I will cease my contributions and I would go on the stm32duino forum.
Others will go on Espressif forums.
It is these products that are currently successful.
Arduino has missed the Atmega328PB, this model would have interested more than the new Nano Every and could have revived the AVR family, with very low costs.
We do not ask much: only a little consideration.
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Most people don't like to change the way they work. Most people get annoyed when it means they have to learn something new, to achieve what that used to be able to achieve without learning anything new. Personally i am like that, but given a while i will try to work with what i got and deal with the formatting issues that show up. Before i would request to post within code-tags, but given that getting something that is remotely properly formatted, is really quite hard, and near impossible for people that don't have a lot of experience with coding & on the forum, i now request them to post the code as attachment.
People don't like to admit that they've made mistakes, not to themselves and not to others. There seriously are quite a few things wrong here, and i am not talking about navigation or layout. @pert Doing the business with the discourse developers is something that the people who are doing the implementing should do, not something for the general 'end-user'. I enjoy helping people out, trying to find what mistakes they have made and try to explain how to fix this. I learn from that, i learn from my mistakes and from other, i get ideas from it etc.
For now the formatting of posts on this forum is making that harder than it was. I doubt if any of my old posts are represented correctly since an opening [code] not followed by a newline does not work as an opening [code]-tag anymore, and i am someone who tries to preserve the life of the enter button by not hitting anymore than necessary.
In the end it all comes down to either : "we've done it and they will just have to live with it or not"
or : "Ok we've successfully completed the migration, now let's see if we can fix some of the things that are most disturbing to our users"
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Request to turn OFF the "do not disturb" completely as it interferes with the few notifications I do get (less than before)
Moderation emails / notifications need to be turned ON by default as I no longer get those.
Other replies to topics I am subscribed to or watching also need to be turned ON with a simple selection in user preferences !
The 120 LOCK for older posts needs to be retroactive and NOT from here onward.
Can we have a simple MOVE option for moderators rather than the multiple steps it now takes and the unusual message "we agree something is wrong etc"
If you ditch the Javascript for this site with NoScript or something like that (we badly need granular Javascript permissions in browsers) it becomes paginated.
I have not seen that and I tried hard not to have any return before or after the [code] tag so that the code would be as in line as possible without wasted space. have a return after the tag would mean an empty first line in the code window, sometimes meaning you had to scroll instead of being able to see the whole code sample at a glance.
but the images not appearing at the right place, the heavy post compression that makes them blurred, the lack of colors have rendered many of my tutorials (in French section) totally cumbersome (some had tens of thousands of visits like this one on states machines or that one and many others )
I'm not planing on updating any of those (and even if I wanted to the posts are locked...), this needs fixing by the team writing a proper migration script when the text includes tags.
Actually Bob I don't think the current method is too bad (once I had found out how to do it). You can move a topic with very few clicks. Basically click the "pencil" icon, choose the destination and click the confirmation button
Hi,
I am finding it a steep learning curve for markdown notation, but can see its advantages.
Unfortunately we have become used to the old forum lurks and perks.
The narrow text area and wasted space down the sides is annoying.
Larger fonts would help, I have luckily have a touch screen laptop, and can do a simple zoom to fill the screen.
Tom....
I just clicked a dozen pencils after selecting a post to be moved and the results were not as expected.
I would post a video of my FUTILE efforts but the laughter would be too much.
Was like a kid at a coloring table too many pencils.
Oh and plus to whoever asked for the sigs back. I would like mine back.
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i have, though not in old posts, but some of my recent responses were put within the tags (showing the strange bold keywords like bool, and or, regardless of whether these words were in the comments or not) and some weren't. It didn't seem to be very consistent.
Well you have the right to that opinion. My own opinion is that if you benefit from free open source software, then you should make the effort to give back in some way, rather than only taking. High quality bug reports and feature requests are very valuable contributions that don't require any special skill set.
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Yeah i have as well, good one, though for all the other ctrl-scroll will work as well.
Yup, I think it could have been handled better, the time given to long time users wasn't enough but we got what we got. 
It makes me sad reading that people feel that no one cares, I do care and think many other people do too.
I tend to use myself and my opinion as a measure for what an extremely demanding user might think is satisfying since I'm quite annoying and nitpicky about these kind of things. And I am satisfied, I would have never joined the forum before the migration, I didn't think it as usable, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if many other people thought the same and didn't join in the past.
I do realize that I'm not a long time user of the forum et all and changing things around for them might not be ideal since many habits need to be adjusted for the new but I think that in the long run it will pay off.
Don't worry, change takes time and people understand that. This thread is the proof I think, lots of things that have been asked in here have been enabled or changed.
Once I got past, what was for me the unintuitive UI of the pencil icon (which I initially assumed was only for editing the title), I found that the new move method is a huge improvement. I love the ability to search for categories instead of scrolling down through that huge list to find the correct international section every time.
I'm still not super comfortable with some of the other moderation interfaces, but I have had zero problems with moving topics. Merging has also been super easy for me.
If by sig you mean a pithy saying at the end of every post, I'd like a preference option to ignore them if they do return.
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I agree with you on yours, but as end-user i can not see what is caused by the software used, or by the way it is implemented on this forum. The people responsible for the implementation can.
cough and this (and all the related security problems) are certified from all the various personal data stealing episodes that most of the platforms that use it had in the past, not last the 35 millions users personal info stole from facebook (that also use discourse) few time ago, i suppose ... so much for the safety and efficence cough
We had a level of engagement with the DEV side in SMF mostly via myself and a select group of users. The idea worked quite well insofar as it was semi unofficial.
Have asked a few times for an official user type panel of testers but it never really seems to get any official support and even worse seems to get lost in the extremely short time scales of deployment. It CAN and DOES work when fully supported by both sides within a framework.
Explain please, not exactly clear to me what you mean.
Well it's early days still, maybe something will shape up once either "we all learn how to use it" or "It is almost the way we want it" or both. For now let's see what of the huge pile of suggestions will appear important enough and easy enough to change within the current version of discourse.
huh ? i think it is explained quite clearly.
Not really, saying that Discourse is unsecure because people using it had data stealing episodes is like saying a door lock is unsecure because thieves robbed my house when I left the door wide open.
The Discourse software had exactly 3 CVE since it came out: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/57316/Discourse-Discourse.html?vendor_id=20185
Design and usability wise I think is great too.
I just mean that the definition "a great piece of software" is something i usually do not associate to softwares with all the bugs, flaws and security fails that softwares like discourse have repeatedly demonstrated to be ... but, ofcourse, this is just how i "personally" judge what "a great piece of software" is or means ...
A common complaint is about the move to infinite scrolling versus the old system with "pages".
Turns out it's a feature being bragging about!
New Forum Features
• No more pages to browse manually.
LOL. Really, bring back pages. They worked. Well.
a7
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so management did not care?....
Well it's kinda easy now with your badge page to know what was going on in terms of heavy users... (the old statistic page went private but now we know)
- 28 folks with 1000+ Karma : they probably did help a few in the community...
- 51 members in the "Brattain, Jackson, Shanon" group so with the largest amount of posts
Was that so hard to reach to those users (probably high overlap so may be less than 60?) who might have had something to say and share their experience? (and extend beyond to other frequent users of the forum, it does not seem to be more than 33k who have the 1 year anniversary badge (member for a year with at least one post in that year).
Anyway - what's done is done. let's move on.
It Would be good to have a (public?) hit list now and iron those things out or be clear on what won't be addressed.
PS/ now it will be interesting and quite telling in terms of openness about the community if those numbers on the badges were to disappear in the short future...
True ... just an infinite, unfriendly , endless scroll page
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How the rest of you get to your preferences? I have to use the top right hamburger menu, pick users and pick myself.
I thought I saw a screenshot from someone in this thread that showed some icons on the very top line, but I don't see any (Safari 13.0.5).
But it is NOT early days as these requests go back a few years and only in the latter months of SMF was any sort of interest shown.
Even then it was by a great person who has since left Arduino but had some foresight into both SMF and DISCOURSE.
But I agree this deployment went better than expected but still showed the same lack of engagement with users.
Like you I would hope they take the chance and time to engage users more in future with maybe some small test / users council of some description so that in future things go even more smoothly.
I cannot find my old post to reply to myself, but I did figure out how to change my picture.
Ordinarlity I would not bother to defend myself against the appearance of being stupid, but
• there are two profiles, an "Arduino" profile and a "Forum" profile
• sometimes you see both and must choose, other times it's just "profile"
Anyway, changing the icon in every place my assistant was able to find a mechanism to do has resulted in the desired new picture.
And I would post the pictures I took as a sanity check except I am too lazy to figure out how to do that just now.
a7
Thanks. I don't see any of those things, not even the search topics control.
Is this how the right corner should look?
My top corner looks like this
you might have to scroll all the way up to see the top bar with your avatar
No, the whole bar is gone. Maybe it is killed by CSS-animation-killer. I loathe CSS transitions so they are disabled in my browser.
Edit, with CSS animation blocker disabled it is still gone.
I see the same symptom and I have no CSS restrictions.
I have it, animations turned off, and see the top bar.
my screen shot is with Safari 14.0.3
Sorry, forgot to specify, win7 and firefox.
Strange, my block system just kicked out something called "iubenda" that triedto sneak in from this page ... ads ? (anyway ads are all blocked by default here)
... advertising tracker ... they stay locked ...
Exactly which pencil are you selecting and where ?
NEW ISSUE WITH OLD CODE
I just tried to copy code from an old tutorial of mine and paste it into the IDE to recompile...
it's now full of stray '\240' and stray '\302' all over the place so tutorials that were already hard to read because of poor layout of the image now have unusable code... great... ~15000 viewers for that tutorial, so may be it helped a few when it was useful...
I've had enough for today...
That's seriously bad
I ran updates on my Mac and got Safari 13.1.2. I now see the top bar appearing. Might be the upgrade, but it may simply have been the reboot.
The system just sent me a message about a post I made.
In the post, I used an emoji of a hand with one of the fingers pointed up.
If the almighty system thinks the image is inappropriate, the system should take it out of the collection of emojis the system offers to the users ! ! !
Not signed in but posting?
How do I sign out?
How do I sign in? So far it seems to happen magically like cookies or something, I have yet to find the front door to the debacle which is the new system.
BTW Looks like we all be learning some markdown stuff. Or trying.
a7
I use the sledge hammer; clear the cookies.
Iubenda is used to handle privacy and cookies policies, GDPR consent and those kind of things.
They're not ads.
The problem is that it's not "the system" that decides this ... in this type of forum, one of the new "features" (as they call the bugs ) is that when other users flag your post just cause they don't like them, the forum hides them without the intervent of the mods ... and when is a trust level 2 or 3 that do this, the hiding is automated and immediate (if i recall correctly how these features bugs works), so, anyone can cause this just flagging a post 2 or 3 times (depend from the settings, i think)
Welcome in the era of instant-nazi-public-censorship 
EDIT: anyway, you're right in that ... if an emoticon is made available, then it must be considered not inappropriate, otherwise that emoticon had to be NOT made available by default
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Really ? On a post from a year ago 
Any unwanted hidden tracker is considered ads (or, anyway, potentially dangerous) and locked by default, here.
I block every tracker too, doesn't mean that every tracker are ads.
OK never mind…
I see differences between Safari and Firefox and I will assume there are still some "issues" that need ironing out.
Lazy: I leave it to anyone else to scurry around and document the problem(s).
a7
Well, I hope whoever flagged my post also sent a message to the owners of the web site complaining about the selection of emojis that the web staff is offering the users to use inside their posts.
I used the tools offered from this new web site !
I am p*ssed *ff ! ! !
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Hear that. At least 15 of those emoji hand gestures are offensive to someones somewheres.
To pick on one, what even is it, another pointing finger? seems unreasonable.
To cater to all sensitivities would mean just getting rid of them all.
a7
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Literally clicked each pencil I could find in turn.
Also selected the spanner then the SELECT option.
Selected the post to be moved
Then the MOVE TO and was presented with that stupid
Whis is about as much use as a chocolate chisel !
Can we have a #DISCOBOT for moderation like we have for the forum usage ?
NOTE to all posters we have LOST the auto lock for PAST POSTS
Looks like you will all be required to remind new posters (yet again) to create thier own posts.
Sigh 
I was just contemplating if I should give the moderators extra work
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That you can't even do a simple search... (CTRL-F)
I have some selective expletives for you LOL
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Ok to move to an existing topic , but ... if you want to "split" and create a NEW topic?
Guglielmo
I simply wanted to MOVE the whole thing to another section.
However I do it I most often end up with a URL box and no selection of the area I wish to move it to.
Only managed to move one topic so far but now am unable to do it again... 
My scrolling finger hurts
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Yep threads this long really need pagination..
Send your chiropractic bill to Arduino along with the receipt for a new mouse/
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OMG we have post numbers back !
Well done whoever got that one in.
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Did you try clicking the one to the right of the topic title ?
YEP hit that too to no avail.
I think they are still playing with things as some actions have changed again.
If you use your middle finger ( 
) on your iPad, scrolling is quite effortless.
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Don't you see a special vertical bar at the right which gives an accelerated scroll right through the thread ? I suppose that is browser dependent which does not require a noticeable page build up time as it progresses.
Are you, incidentally, the user who formerly had an incredibly long user name ? The icon is somehow familiar.
I didn't rely on the silly slider anyway for accuracy.
Anything it says is plus or minus a couple.
Well that didn’t hurt at all.
No intentional inappropriateness meant by the upper pointing thumb.
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This is what dark mode looks like:
They really have NOT tested thoroughly! I went through all permutations of dark in my settings and none makes these readable.
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Well, a few minutes ago every web site screen on the iPad was all white.
Had to clear cookies to again see the screen properly.
Response just to get a new number so 6V can delete
This is the pencil icon you need to click @Ballscrewbob:
After that, click on the category field:
and it becomes a drop-down menu with a search box:
Select the category you want to move to and then click the 
button:
Congratulations, you have now moved the topic to another category!
Done. But I think we have to wait 24 hours to be sure.
Hopefully, your post, to which I am replying, will still have the number # 473 and this the number # 475
Yes, please!
I did send @Ballscrewbob a PM asking if he could lock it
MIne looks like that as well! I'm missing the top menu. So bunch of navigation is missing. I bet that's going on for many of us.
Safari 11.1.2
-jim lee
Yes, this was easy, but ... moving one or more "post" into an existring or in a NEW topic (was SPLIT topic) ? ? ?
Thanks,
Guglielmo
Top of this topic :
Clicked the pencil and got :
Choose the destination :
Or search for it :
After selecting it :
Obviously I didn't go through with it
What am I missing here, is this thread being hijacked ?
Is it time to use the flag option on posts ?
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How to search a thread
Click on the search and search for whatever
Under the search box, check search this topic
Tested with Firefox on Win10
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Why are posts duplicated?
I can see why a post reply is added to a post (as a drop down) but why is it then necessary to add the replies into the main thread elsewhere.
On each board main page why do you have to display all the users icons who have posted, it's waste of space....
Why are the board titles in such small text and crammed into together?
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How amazing do you find this forum ?
- This forum is wonderful
- This is the best forum I have ever seen
- There is no scope for improvement
- I wish to abstain from this vote
0 voters
The forum or the software ?
I got something else earlier and for my sanity I am keeping away from the mod options the rest of the day 
I smell a rat somewhere.
One might 'point' to the software about the smell, but then one might use a special emoji.
Just waiting . . . . . .
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There is some pretty good general moderator info here:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-moderation-guide/63116
As to your specific question:
Click one of the topic's "topic actions"icons. There is one on the slider and another at the bottom of the topic. Note that each post also has a wrench icon, which has a different functionality and can't be used for this purpose.
From the menu that opens, select "Select Posts...":
Select the posts you want to move:
Click the "move to" button:
You'll now be presented with a dialog that allows you to set the topic name and the category to move it to. you can also select "Existing Topic" to merge the posts into another topic:
In my message inbox, if the member who left me a message is no longer a member, then the message can't be deleted. I have a number of such soliciting messages where the sender is no longer a forum member and I can't delete the messages. In fact, there is NO delete, just remove yourself from the message option, which I find a bit disgusting. Not everything new is good and not every thing has to be threads and conversations.
Pop a bottle of something nice and relax.
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Thanks a lot ... someting is changed because ... when I tried the same procedure for the first time, among the various choices, the possibility of a "new thread" did NOT appear ... now, instead, it appears
Again thanks,
Guglielmo
I think I’ve got the solution... replace the pencil button icon with the extended middle finger.
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There is an emoji for that
Ask LarryD
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Be calm LarryD, be very calm . . . . . .
Where are my 3000+ images I made for the post " Share tips you have come across"
I can no longer see images in posts #0 to #873 using: Windows 10 Google Chrome.
Be calm, be VERY F******G calm ! ! ! !
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I have a spare one of these, you can turn the volume up if needed.
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And where is the damn PENCIL icon that allows me to edit posts prior to post #873 !
I'm laughing like a moron!
How could one find them, this is so confusing design that I can't keep on track what I see???
But they are there, hidden features that can been seen without digging deeper?
I have a lots of problems with reading english, that's why I try to do my best to write properly, just like coding. Not an easy task for me. I can compare this my musical lack of skills, I can't follow notes on a paper without somebody pointing the place...
Cheers,
Kari
What the hell!!! I tried to reply to Pert, but I can't find the place where it started in the first place. This is really a piece of... useless.
Cheers,
Kari
How do you normally find RSS feeds? In the old days when they were more popular, sometimes websites would have an icon or a page with a list of feeds, but I find that very rare these days. This is why I hunted down and installed that Chrome extension I shared in my previous reply. It finds all the RSS feeds of a website if it has one.
I think that one is only for Chrome, but I'm certain there is the equivalent for Firefox. I used to have my Firefox set up to do this but now when I look it doesn't seem to be there. I seem to remember that it was a built-in functionality which was lost during some major update to that browser.
Same here, with win7 and firefox i see maybe one image each 15 or 20, all the others are turned in text names (without any link) or white squares with broken link icon.
The lack of responses from the web staff is deafening .
Web master poll:
- Let’s just sit back and ignore the old fogeys.
- They will get tired and move on to a different forum, good riddance.
- Maybe we should have tested the software conversion process.
- I still am getting a pay check so everything is just fine.
0 voters
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IPad?
Oh i just thought to add the pictures of closing [code] tags not working right without the new line, but then i was looking for (i think it was @pert but i may have been someone else) then i got stuck with the dynamic topic feed ajajaj i understand you don't want to send the whole thread in one go, but now the focus on the side bar is always changing or i am scrolling forever.
Anyway the pics
here the it doesn't close properly and even removes the CR's from the content
Sort of same here. Is it maybe because i am using lowercase ? hmm i'll check that next time, the forum used to use uppercase i guess.
I just looked at the vote in the poll a few posts above. 100% of the votes voted for one proposal, and the other 33% voted for another.
I really wish I could post a screenshot.
Who is this "we" that you speak of ?
Who made the actual decision not to thoroughly test the use of the software as opposed to the transfer of data, which seems to have gone reasonably well ? Why no user manual explaining how to use Discourse as it is set up for use by the Arduino community ? Why no testing by users until the moderators pressed for it and even then only a very limited amount ?
The attitude seems to be that we will either get used to it or leave, and I am not sure which camp I am in at the moment
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Was it this one you were looking for?:
In that thread, I provide a minimal example for [code] tags not on their own line resulting in an intended code block not being correctly rendered.
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I replied in the linked thread with an explanation of the problem.
It now 60%,40% and 20% making a nice round 120!!!
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@pert Thanks for the link to the explanation.
I was just wondering how newcomers to the new forum are expected to use code tags?
Yes but you ‘can’ vote for ‘more than one’ option.
Dag Sterretje
Op het vorige forum kon je alle posts van JOHI opvragen, je kreeg dan een mooi lijstje, probleem opgelost.
Als je op het huidige nieuwe forum alle post van JOHI opvraagt, dan zit de bewuste post er niet bij.
Als je bij netwerk zoekt naar de post# Float to bytes array and back
dan vind je de bewuste post onder een van de replys op het topic..
Ik vind het wat raar als ik al mijn posts opvraag dat die er niet tussen staat, maar als ik ga kijken naar het topic zelf, dan staat die post daar wel tussen.
Mogelijks dient daar ook eens naar gekeken te worden.
Wat betreft de nieuwe site: De oude site was een toonbeeld van scherpte, overzicht en functionaliteit. De nieuwe site scoort m.i. een heel stuk lager wat betreft die functionele aspecten, maar hij ziet er wel mooier uit...
Vriendelijke groeten
Johi.
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I'm also concerned about this. It has always been a problem. But now it's a little bit more of a problem.
Certainly we will need to make an effort to clearly explain the procedure, just as we did with the old system. One of our amazing moderators is working now on refreshing some of the documentation for new users, so that might help out.
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@pert Thanks.
Your suggestion to use markdown code blocks, looks by far easiest way to me. Just like GitHub.
Please turn off infinite scrolling/auto page loading. It's absolutely awful in long threads.
Somewhere in this thread is the comment I wanted to reply to. I even know what it said. But searching the page is impossible because it automatically unloads everything but the last few replies. It's incredibly frustrating having to wait for the page to reload every time you need to scroll up and down the page to refer to other replies.
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Inserting a sketch in a post.
In the Arduino IDE, use CTRL T to format your code.
Copy the ‘complete sketch’ and paste it in the reply box between code tags:
i.e. between 2 sets of 3 grave accents ```
``` Your code is pasted here ```
OR
Paste your copied sketch in the reply box.
Highlight all the sketch lines of code, click on the menu icon </>
In the Arduino IDE, use CTRL T to format your code.
Copy the ‘complete sketch’ and paste it in the reply box between code tags:
i.e. between 2 sets of 3 grave accents \```
\``` Your code is pasted here \```
**OR**
Paste your copied sketch in the reply box.
Highlight all the sketch lines of code, click on the menu icon **</>**
OR
then
Edit/Copy for Forum (Ctrl-Shift-C) or Edit/Copy for Github (Alt-Crtl-C)
whichever is more convenient.
If no code is highlighted the 'complete sketch' will be copied, else only the highlighted code.
Paste in the reply box. Done
Willem.
I'll admit to being on several different forums that use different softwares, so I'm not sure if I remember correctly....
Didn't there used to be a 'Mark topic/category/messages Read' button?
Marsha
Thanks.
How do I hide foreign language posts in my top level views of ‘new’, updated” etc ?
Also, Ideally, I only want to ‘watch’ two or three categories, not all 200.
You would have thought that part of the process of selecting replacement forum software that needs to support the upload, display and download of code would have been to ensure that it was easy to do
Currently the easiest way is to use "Copy for forum" from the IDE. Unfortunately anyone using the copy icon in a code block here will soon discover that the copied code cannot be compiled because spurious invisible characters have been inserted into it
Indeed he is, but it is a pity that the Arduino management did not think of doing so before moving so that it was available from day one. As it is he appears to have been dropped in it with no warning. I appreciate that it is not easy to write such documentation until you are well versed in the new one but a guide explaining how to do common tasks here compared to SMF would have been helpful
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I once heard:
“We aren’t happy until you are unhappy”
Not sure where.
Isn’t that ‘special’.
Testing @UKHeliBob's mention of the copy from a code past.
void setup() {
// put your setup code here, to run once:
Serial.begin(9600);
pinMode(LED_PIN, OUTPUT);
digitalWrite(LED_PIN, LOW);
Serial.println("Simple Test");
}
void loop() {
// put your main code here, to run repeatedly:
static uint_fast32_t prevMillis = 0;
if (millis() - prevMillis > 1000) {
digitalWrite(LED_PIN, digitalRead(LED_PIN) ? 0 : 1);
prevMillis = millis();
}
}
EDIT: I copied the above using the little copy button in the top right corner and pasted it into a new sketch using IDE 2.0 Beta 5.
Selecting the venerable UNO I tried to compile. For some reason it did not recognize LED_PIN. After adding:
int16_t LED_PIN = 13;
above setup, it compiled no problem.
I think the problem comes trying to first insert code copied from the old forum posts.
Willem
I had to # define a LED_PIN otherwise OK.
a7
This is an excerpt of what I got on pre-discourse forum code from one of my posts using the 'copy' shortcut in the upper right:
Using standard windows <ctrl> c, <ctrl> v appearance is correct and code does compile.
Copying code from an old post, code not added to the new forum, I get the same problem.
Willem
Is there a badge for that?
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I think something was fixed. Either in the forum or in Beta 5.
I copied the code from the above thread, using the little copy button, and pasted it into a new project. It compiled no problem. When I previously tried the exact same procedure all sorts of spurious '\302' etc errors were displayed.
EDIT: Spoke too soon. The code from post #6 in the above thread compiles OK. The code from post #7 does not. However if I select the code and copy with Ctrl-C and then paste into the new project it compiles. Seems to be a problem with that copy button and the migrated code.
Willem
This is a serious bug, and one I have brought to the attention of people at Arduino who can pursue it.
This is not a universal bug. I suspect it only affects the code blocks migrated from the old forum. Whenever I have tried it with code from new posts, the characters aren't there.
Since it only happens when we use the copy button, there is always the option of disabling that feature.
I would have been happy to do, that, and I am still happy to do that. But this document is Perry's project and so I don't think it would have been appropriate for me to do so without an invitation from Perry.
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Here is a new emoji that might work.
Not sure what trust level these become available but some of you may want to benefit from the CANNED REPLIES
We had them as mods in SMF thanks to some hard work by a dev.
Hi,
I just copied and pasted from that link and it copied fine into 1.8.13 IDE.
Compiled as well.
Tom...
So has anyone explained how to exterminate that dreadful and totally useless blue bar at the top of the screen that permanently obliterates a full one-sixth of the valuable screen space on my notebook?
Sorry if this has perhaps been done to death already, but it is a trifle difficult to read through the previous 536 postings!
Blue bar ?
I don't use spyware if possible, chrome is one of them, background processes are not safe.
Usually I try to find RSS link from the bottom of the page, I don't actually know if there is a standard for that, and I use it only for few websites.
Now it seems like I am not going to follow this forum anymore, too complicated. Maybe I will visit every now and then to see if there a change for better user experience.
Cheers,
Kari
Yes, the ridiculously bulky blue bar with all the "information" we do not want.
OK, well as I said you are welcome to find the equivalent extension for your browser of choice. I'm just sharing what happens to have worked for me. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to go about it. I'm perfectly happy which what I've managed to put together, so I didn't feel the need to search further.
I have always consumed the forum via email. I get an email for every new topic and I can use the email filters to sort or exclude things. When I am interested in a topic, I'll load just that forum page alone, then if I have some thing to add to the discussion I'll comment and if I only want to follow the conversation I'll configure it for watching so I'll get another email for every comment.
In this manner, I avoid the need for using a large portion of the UI of the forum. You might find you can do the same with your RSS feeds.
Say what? The timeline is not working properly. Replys are not where they should be.
Kari
Nice to see how far of topic this thread has drifted. Not.
Why isn’t there a thread for bugs and suggestions?
Would love to see the posting stats for the new site after a week and then a month compared with historical totals. That will be final arbiter.
My preference would be for people to create a separate topic for each unique bug or suggestion. With the way you all are loving the monothreads, I'm starting to think we should have gone with Discord instead of Discourse!
But if you do want a bug monothread, this one should do:
Would love to see the posting stats for the new site after a week and then a month compared with historical totals. That will be final arbiter.
It sure seems to be buzzing harder than ever at the moment.
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Uh oh, got the below in a plain white browser page
Slow down, too many requests from this IP address
Just because I tried to go back a few pages using < ctrl > < left >
I've been getting the same from browsing that even larger "Share tips you have come across" topic.
That's where I came from Did not think it was actually relevant.
But now you've mentioned it, scrolling through (long) threads will refresh the url each time that you scroll a bit up or down. So for LarryD's thread that might be a few 100 urls being send to the server.
Thanks
I just can't... this is mess. Forum have to be helpful to the platform. In this moment it seems like the existence of this forum is almost only to itself.
Sad, sad.
Well, nothing, everything has to end one day.
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And another thing.
Where are the sub script and super script text formatting commands? I just had to type the word "degrees" in a reply. This is, as has probably escaped the people writing this mess, a scientific forum, not one about knitting.
Sub script and super script is important in a scientific context.
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It certainly seems like the Discourse platform - as configured - is more suited to shorter / low-count conversations.
The fluffy dice on the page frames as a whole, and very l-o-o-o-ong pages are extremely unintuitive - even for experienced users.
A few importnat features seem to default to generating 'noise' - and the repetitive effort to turn those features off/down is time wasting. Some of those settings don't seem to be persistent across sessions.
As a forum platform Discourse looks really nice, and -may- be configurable, but from what I've seen so far - I'd guess i'm only catching about 30% of the threads I want to read/contribute to.
I'll stay connected, but likely to come in maybe once every couple of days - rather than multiple times per day as was the case previously.
i.e. an 80% drop in participation
This might be good: beginners not being overwhelmed, but less likely to see the high-output contributors spending their time playing with pull-downs and unintuitive icon buttons.
Surely you are joking. One of the major benefits of code blocks is the ability to easily copy the code for examination and testing
There was nothing stopping him being asked if he minded it being updated
Like this you mean ?
10o
Done using the <sup> tag, which of course is obvious to anyone well versed in markup languages and so easy to use that I am surprised that you did not know how to do it or found it tedious to do compared with just clicking a button
Come on Mike. Get with the program
Well I forgot what it was, there you go, I must be getting too old. At least too old for this modern forum. So we answer questions about complex electronic devices but we also have to be "well versed in markup languages" as well.
I think it is time I gave up. I just can't navigate this pile of crap to find the sections I used to look at, it is all a jumbled mess.
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I've actually never seen superscript and subscript in in the old forum Probably me.
Always just typed 10[sup]2[/sup] and V[sub]in[/sub] when I needed it. But the BBcode for this seems no longer supported; something new to learn.
I just used the new code tags for the first time.
That's it... never again. Waste of screen space and normal line editing keys don't work as expected.
It took me 15 minutes to add 2 minutes worth of code.
For me, it's now second nature. It might become that for you as well
It is actually easier to type and format the code in the IDE then use Copy for forum and paste it back here, but for a forum being used to support a programming environment not allowing code to be entered or pasted in easily is a nonsense
That's not always possible. I don't have an IDE on my cell phone
is very intuitive in simplifying things in the login if not connected with user and other convenient functions and a great design for the cms, has some bugs but is normal being just released
I like it and I find it a great job and I think personal, I do not see other forums with the same mechanism and management, so it should be created from 0
+1 to that
I have been typing countless sample code directly in the forum in the past to help our, often from my smartphone
If I forget go add plenty new lines
void setup() {}
void loop() {}As I did before This suddenly looks like this void setup() {}
void loop() {}despite the new line after the setup
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A phone is not, in my opinion, a suitable device on which to enter code beyond a trivial line or two, but each to their own
I know
What is the idea behind putting cubes in front and dots behind titles and categories?
Adds a lot of noise IMO.
The cube is a checkbox. It will show a tick if a reply was marked as "Solution".
just show the tick then, not the box.
My view is that the largest screen you have at hand when you feel to contribute is the most suitable device. I've typed many many replies from my iPhone, learning many of the formatting tags along the way as the tool bar was not available for the phone.
(that being said, I never tried from my watch )
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It is not just the size of the screen, the keyboard comes into it too. A small screen is a nuisance but is made even worse by the on screen keyboard of most phones and tablets.
This means you get an even smaller screen and a horrible keyboard, but if that is all you have then you put up with it
It looks like "replies" to comments show up twice - once in a sort of "threaded" mode under the original post, and once where you'd expect it based on the time it was posted.
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yes, you just get used to that and trust what you type when you know the tags. Of course not the best experience, but that kept me busy during transportation whilst hopefully helping a few people along the way
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I often quickly peek at the forum while I'm having e.g. a smoke break away from the computer. And sometimes a quick reply with e.g. a copy of the code in a post and a quick fix is all that is needed.
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Just noticed something peculiar and am not sure if I did it or the new forum did it.
Certainly I did not ask chrome to do it.
I saw there were new replies in "Lo spamm bar" which is the ITALIAN bar sport.
It was fully translated to ENGLISH and I mean the whole thing !
Anyone know if it works both ways ?
Probably not is my guess.
Yeah i think i saw something like that somewhere, it still just catches me out at times, not to mention what it does to newbies, that have a tendency to leave code-tags out completely. What that does to the post when there are indentations in the code is beyond description. (but you've seen it as well and it is not readable at all) For now i ask them to use the 'copy for forum' in the IDE or post as an attachment. Thanks pert !
You mean that you see "lo spam bar" translated into English ? ? ?
Are you sure you don't have Google translate active for that page? Maybe you have used it before ...
Guglielmo
I tried Google translate on it taking the URL and got a blank screen.
One thing I'm really missing is the ability to scroll back up to the thread I'm replying to.
This really isn't very mobile-friendly.
Or, indeed, regular user-friendly.
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One text file on your desktop to copy from and paste into a reply, and you can be trusted.
I'm not getting automatic translation (Android/Chrome), unlike on the old forum.
I had used it a couple of days ago for a German post but had since cleaned up cache etc as I do at least twice a day so there should have been no precedence set.
EDIT...Just checked again and it didn't do it first time but did it the second time...most odd.
Why does the old code tag button have a different function? Now you have to type the code tag manually. This is a bit crazy.
I can't write anything in the github thread.
Working just like always for me on Windows/Chrome. I use it constantly for determining where to move the misplaced non-English language topics.
So it translates only when I tell the browser to, but when I tell the browser to do it, it always works.
@Doc_Arduino
I think it's poorly implemented
The quick way is three backticks, start code on next line, three backticks after that. Works actually faster than clicking < / >
void setup()
{
}
void loop()
{
}
and for C++ with syntax highlighting
void setup()
{
}
void loop()
{
}
Just quote this to see how it's done
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You can still use the code button. You just need to select the code text before clicking the button.
I know this is a big problem. We're going to at least provide some nice documentation on how to use it soon.
Would you mind providing a more detailed description of what you mean by that?
you need to add cpp if you want the c++ formatting
-> ```cpp
void setup()
{
}
void loop()
{
}
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Do we know what other sites using Discourse to support programming activity do ?
Processing is using discourse. clicking </> will insert the backticks and sample text that is already selected so that whatever you type or paste will go right in between the ticks
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I see KELIBOB is back LOL.
Only a fleeting appearance it would seem as he has gone again
Why can we not have that?
Willem.
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That was my first try also because this is the canonical language identifier for syntax highlighting in fenced code blocks on GitHub (though the cpp alias is also supported):
https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/v7.14.0/lib/linguist/languages.yml#L636
I haven't managed to find the language code list for Discourse though. They say they use highlight.js, and there is a list of languages here:
https://github.com/highlightjs/highlight.js/blob/main/SUPPORTED_LANGUAGES.md
but I don't get the expected results based on that information. For example:
```cxx
void setup()
{
}
```
void setup()
{
}
Hello everyone!
And thank you for this feedback. Based on your input we have been doing some improvements including:
- Post number is now even more visible at the top-right corner of each post, no need to click on the share button anymore to see it
- The
</>button now defaults to backticks instead of space indentation - Code highlighting assumes C++ syntax by default
- The BBCode color tags are now supported, like
[color=red]red words[/color]
red words - Reduced minimum post length to allow short answers like "Yes" (not sure it's a positive thing but it was requested here)
- ZIP files are allowed as attachments
- Codeblocks have the copy button
- A new "Defer" functionality was added to set topics as unread (must be enabled from Preferences, see here: How do I defer something? - support - Discourse Meta)
And other things that were discussed in this thread - ...and more
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I think because you use too may ` before the code ...
#include <SoftwareSerial.h>
#define SS_RX 10 // RX PIN to receive data
#define SS_TX 11 // TX PIN to transmit data
SoftwareSerial ssSerial(SS_RX, SS_TX);
void setup()
{
delay (2000);
//
Serial.begin(9600); // Initialize USB Serial port
ssSerial.begin(9600); // Initialize SoftwareSerial port
//
Serial.println("--- Ports ready ---");
Serial.println("");
}
void loop()
{
if (ssSerial.available() > 0) Serial.write(ssSerial.read());
if (Serial.available() > 0) ssSerial.write(Serial.read());
}
Guglielmo
P.S.: edit my post and look
May I suggest you change the like button from heart to something else. Use the Arduino logo if you want to be creative. A thumbs up would be fine.
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(IF) there was a change then Thumbs up would be my preference as I don't think the logo would be fully understood.
Here it seems to be AUTOMATIC most of the time but randomly drops back to the other language.
Actually saw it happen live with zero interaction on my part and then on a refresh fail to do it.
No, the first code block was intended to be escaped in order to show the Markdown I was using. The second code block was how that Markdown rendered without the escaping. Note that there is no syntax highlighting due to my use of the cxx language identifier, even though that is specified as a highlight.js alias for C++ along with the cpp identifier which does work.
I'll add yet another layer of escaping to the first code block from my last reply so you can see its Markdown:
````
```cxx
void setup()
{
}
```
````
```cpp
You used the cpp language identifier, which we already know works fine, so the syntax highlighting in your post is expected. It's when we use other aliases for C++ that would be expected to work like c++ or cxx that we get no syntax highlighting. Not really a big deal. It's just a little bit confusing for people who have developed a habit of using other identifiers from using GitHub. I actually can see now that the supported identifiers are specified in the Discourse settings:
so these results make perfect sense now. I guess it would be worth investigating whether this can be adjusted to bring it into alignment with GitHub. I see the warning about performance, but I think it would be worth making an even trade for one of the language identifiers that will almost never be used here.
The biggest improvement would be to remove the reply button from individual posts and just have the one at the end. This will stop duplications of the posts and just leave you with an understandable thread.
Oh and why can’t I look at other threads in a topic when I am typing a reply on an iPad?
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Thank you. This is a lot accomplished in a limited time, based on feedback from the community.
please pass down kudos to where kudos are due
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Question. "Nano Family" hasn't got the basic Nano. Any reason why or is this just an oversight? The new forum looks fine to me
Thanks for the feedback, @alranel
I did notice some changes but thought that I was going senile 
The Nano Family sub forum was called "Nano family (New devices)" until the change.
However the Arduino Team decided a phone IS a suitable device for code editing on this forum hence the choice for the Mobile friendly only forum software 'Discourse'
Almost perfect here on a PC
I think that it works on a cell phone but a lot better on a PC 
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Yahoo !!
The reply button on a post now serves as a response to someone in particular (actually to a particular post) this person gets a specific notification, it does serve a purpose though it sort of doubles up with quoting (which does not generate a notification i think... maybe hmmm) problem for me is, i hit the reply button, write the reply, my reply gets posted and my focus gets moved to my reply, whereas i was in the middle of a thread, and now i've lost where i was.
Maybe this is all because of this huge thread, i am getting into the habit of remembering the reply number, and now use the time bar rather than the side bar to scroll to the top (or bottom) it is not sensitive to dynamic content being loaded on either end.
As long as you are the only one thinking that, you have nothing to worry about.
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Thank you for listening to your users !
Now can you find the images that disappeared due to the conversion process to the new software?
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@ pert:
Forget about the github, please. I was on the wrong page.
However, I think that all topics about the new forum would be better here, because everything ends up on Gihub, not just questions about the new forum. Hardly anyone from the Arduino team can filter that.
Doing that would mean that it would not be obvious which previous reply the comment related to
Aaaand its kelibob again.
What fun we are having !
Good catch! Yeah, that category was previously only for the newer Nanos but now that it's more general I added a "Classic Nano" sub-category.
We miss also some other product categories there, will add them
Awesome job! Thank you
Is the code window size fixed? I'm unable to expand the window like I used to on the old forum.
How does ‘solved’ work i.e. when does the solved check boxes appear in a post ?
A bit worried. Nobody wants to see their posts disappear because Akismet flagged them incorrectly as spam. Any chance that that might happen?
That's an experiment! We enabled that button for all categories. Maybe we could remove it for some categories (like this one) which are not strictly focused on troubleshooting.
Basically, the person who initiated a given topic can pick a post and mark it as "solved". This will be reflected with a check mark in the category view, and an excerpt of the solution is also included at the beginning of the thread. Moderators can mark solutions too.
Let's see how it goes
Akismet is only applied to users with Trust Level = 0, so newbies posting their very first messages
And the post numbering system (unlike that in the old forum) now survives post deletions without messing up the numbering of subsequent posts. This was a test of the deletion of post #_472
Going to my Arduino profile then selecting Messages from my Avatar drop-down, results in a broken link rather than going to my private messages page.
Good catch, thank you! I just configured a redirect for that and it works now
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Thanks for all your updates. The < / > button work really well now.
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Glad that you keep on following up. Where is the Karma button?
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I've been far too busy to read everything in this extraordinarily long discussion!
With regards to the forum instructions I am trying to modify the short version quickly to be suitable for the new forum. I'm struggling to get it done because of life in general getting in the way. @pert has offered help, not sure what to give him to do but he has been finding things out for me, which is useful.
Please bare with me.
Thanks
@PerryBebbington do you think the short version is still needed in all categories or can we use the FAQ page linked in the top menu now that we have it?
Unfortunately the total number (and the indicator for the current one) of posts on the time bar, is the number of posts that remain, so since 6 (or 5) posts have been removed #632 is referenced as 626 on the time bar.
If I get dropped in by a link somewhere in the middle/end of a thread, how can I get back to the first post without endless scrolling ?
Maybe some fast jump buttons could be added, FIRST, LATEST, CURRENT.
If you click the Apr 13 at the top of the time bar it goes right to the top without scrolling. Same if you click the Xm ago at the bottom.
Any good?
Willem
If we bare with you, someone will push the flag button and that nasty little system troll will send a scolding message.
Similar thing happens if you use the upward pointed finger emoji they offer from the emojis pull down list of images.
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I don't know. One problem I have is not being very familiar with the new software; the instructions were written around the old one.
I do know it was a big mistake putting a copy of the instructions in every section; that made them unmaintainable. One copy, links to it.
This forum software makes it possible to have one set of instructions with expanding bits for extra detail.
OK. True. But that is a comparatively minor issue with what is effectively a rough and fast navigation bar. The numbering system in the old forum was such that, if you referred to a post by its number and, in the meantime someone deleted their post, the whole thing became very confusing because of the renumbering of the posts. That appears to have been fixed here.
Oh i totally agree with you ! This will rarely be an issue at all anyway, that more than 1 post deleted is rare to begin with, and a thread with this many post will not happen again very often either.
You may want to re think that post count Share tips you have come across - #893 by LarryD
In your position, I'd probably rename that document to "How to get started with the Forum". It is already quite forum software independent so most of it stays intact after this migration. If you simply added something about the back ticks (```) for code blocks, how to add an image (of the schematic they should include) and set up an example post that corresponds to this ideal post and link to it, that should be enough. The knick-knacks they can learn themselves, maybe with a reference to: Discourse New User Guide - users - Discourse Meta
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We can worry about deployment later and give alranel that task as I am sure they can do it quicker than we did before. Same with culling the old version.
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There is a repository dedicated exclusively to the Arduino forum:
https://github.com/arduino/forum-issues/issues
Every bug or feature request must be specifically about the infrastructure and configuration of the Arduino forum. If anyone posts something there that is off topic, I will close it immediately.
So there is no problem with being able to filter these issues.
This one does frequently get questions like "how do I find my forum posts", etc., so I think that the "Solution" feature is still useful here. But I'm also very interested in getting more feedback from the other forum members about whether they think this is a useful feature.
Yay!
I agree with Grumpy Mike, "Sorry but it is not nice, it seems to have been designed by someone who never did much actually answering of questions here." It is a horrible example of the groups expertise. The old was much better and a lot easier, not much the space on the screen filled with good information, it is mostly white space and junk. I now need a larger monitor to see what is there. When zooming it gets worse. Please go back to the old, it is thousand times better and by far much easier to navigate. Is it possible to make the font smaller, it is very hard to read. Yes I have a large 4K monitor! It looks much better on an old TV screen.
That was the same as the old forum and we didn't have a problem with that. If you wanted an ID then you included a quote from the specific part of the thread you wanted to refer to.
The big problem with this forum is that it is trying to fix things that were not broken, on the user display side at least. That and the designers seem to have never actually answered technical questions on a forum.
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I would rather not, but thank you for the offer
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I like the three ticks thing for doing code blocks. I think its WAY easer to type. Always hated the code /code thing on the old board.
-jim lee
Another thing I REALLY LIKE is that I can un-pin the silly pinned topics that NO ONE EVER READS including me. Talk about a waste of screen space. Now I never have to see them again! Yay!
-jim lee
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With the new forum software, what are the posting size limitations for images and PDFs ?
The forum settings show it as 4 MB
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The plugin has an option for this:
https://github.com/discourse/discourse-solved#what-to-expect-if-plugin-is-installed
I have mixed feelings about the empty checkbox on topics that have not been marked solved. I sympathize with your opinion that it adds even more visual noise to what is already a significant increase from the old forum.
However, as I look at it more, I think it could have value in emphasizing the fact that the topic has not been marked solved. This might result in:
- Helpers being more likely to give the topic attention to get it solved.
- Topic creators being reminded to use the "solved" feature when their question was answered.
As I said before, I'm very interested in getting more feedback from the forum members about this new "solved" feature. I'm seeing it already being used to some extent, and I think think the utilization will increase over time, especially if we provide some user documentation. IMO, it could be very beneficial if it ended up being used regularly.
The way it is described works well for me as it propagates the best answer in the top positions.
Being that the OP is primary in choosing is just icing on the cake.
I don't see it being a "common use" item but still exceptionally useful.
I liked the idea so I tried it - click on the pin icon and it turns upside down. Refresh the page and it's gone. But not really - it's just moved.
Am I doing something wrong?
Now that sounds liike a seriously good idea. It might go some way to making this a forum for grown-ups.
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Well I am pleasantly surprised !
Some of the images in the tread https://forum.arduino.cc/t/share-tips-you-have-come-across/428745 have returned home.
If the web team is responsible, thank you !
Hope all the remaining missing images will find their way home too.
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Huh, who knows? They went away for me. Maybe you didn't have enough faith?
Actually I think the refresh may not be absolute here. I swear sometimes things refresh and sometimes they come out of cache somewhere. Try not refreshing but clicking on that forum's link somewhere.
-jim lee
Even after a topic is unpinned, it's still a topic in that forum category. So they don't really disappear. They just don't stick to the top of the topic listings for the category anymore. They are displayed in the normal order.
Unsticking stickies is a great feature. Thanks for pointing that out. Do you also find a way to mark all posts in a category as read?
Sorry but it is not nice, it seems to have been designed by someone who never did much actually answering of questions here.!!!! totally agree with statement
Also your "real time showing posts w/o page" is awful
This strike-through migration issue appears to have been corrected. The red highlighting is gone.
Is there a way to jump into the middle of a conversation - i.e. like the old 'pages' ?
Also when composing a new reply, it hides the previous posts - it used to be convenient to scroll back if you needed to check detail - or cut some bits of the previous text. Now - no can do.
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There is a “quick “ vertical navigation bar on the right. (Possibly browser dependent)
Try using the browser back button while you are composing a reply. It preserves the “reply” box and lets you navigate around in the forum.
Not that quick, but if you know the post number, you can add/modify the post number in the address bar; e.g. https://forum.arduino.cc/t/do-you-like-the-new-forum/847695/32 will take you to reply #32 in this thread.
To jump to the beginning of the thread, use the url without a post number, e.g. https://forum.arduino.cc/t/do-you-like-the-new-forum/847695
It works quite easily on a PC, a cell phone might be a bit trickier.
Whilst composing your reply, as I am now, you can scroll back through the topic or even jump to another one, at least his is the case on a PC
Is there any way to shade or colour code the sticky posts at the head of forum category list? Or at least add horizontal demarkation line, like the forum currently does with "last visit"?
It's just that I find the small grey tacks aren't enough for my eye to easily differentiate between between the sticky and latest posts in the list.
The sticky are no longer globally sticking - you can unlock them which I think is great as they are Accumulating at the start of the forum when I prefer to see new posts.
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Thanks, that's really improved the readability.
Forbidden words ?
I found this while browsing the "Display" forum and am reminded of a list of forbidden words which, at one time, excluded at least one PCB manufacturer in the old forum. Is this the same thing or is there a special policy for new users ?
(red colouring from me , text could be from the OP - a new user)
a bit above you can read
Btw, I 've tested that TFT LCD with ESP32-CAM (AI Thinker version), The tested sketches were:
1/https://www.xtronical.com/esp32ili9341/
2/ESP32-CAM Auto-Selfie Camera with TFT – Robot Zero OneRobot Zero One
3/
The third link was removed by the policy to newly registered user
(colouring is mine too)
OK. Maybe we find out what the policy is. Number of links from new users or links to specific sites or something else ?
Yep - would be interesting to understand what the automated police thinks is bad...
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OK. If Akismet (anti-spam) is removing links / text, it would be good to know what policy lies behind that.
If you notice that it happens, flag the post. I know, extra work for us and the moderators. There was one thread recently where a complete post was hidden because it contained a link to http://www.bdmicro.com/ in the avrdude output.
Akismet needs a bit of potty training
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OK. My recommendation would be that Askimet is used only to flag something as a warning, but not otherwise to interfere with the text.
Who knows what will happen next if, for example, PC (political correctness) policies are to infect the forum, through such tools, in such a way as to forbid standard terminology like "Master / Slave" architecture or "black" as an insulation colour because usage of these terms might cause offense to weaker minded forum members.
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OK, apparently Adblock Plus does it.
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Left Alt-248
Oh, wait - you don't use Windoze, do you?
Neither do I here at home, but I keep the "Character Map" open for µ ° ½ ¼ ± ² ³ and so on. But I find omega difficult to locate so I use a search for it on Wikipedia.
Yes Askimet does need training but at the moment moderators can only tell it that it was wrong and not change any of its rules.
It offers us a link to do so then whisks us off to an "unknown page"
Is there any way to notify moderators without the system/software/some bot kicking in first (which will lead to a lot of incorrect actions) ?
@moderator should also work.
Thanks @Ballscrewbob, i'll have to get that in my system then.
Still lots of flaky things going on...
The missing link in question was withheld by the user themselves when writing the post. It was not removed later by an automated system.
The reason the user was forced to withhold this link when composing the post is due to this restriction on users with trust level 0:
https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/#trust-level-0--new
Users at trust level 0 cannot …
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- Post more than 2 hyperlinks in a post
This is a bit of an unfortunate first experience with the forum, but the limitation and the reason behind it is clearly communicated to the user while they are composing the post. It's not something that happens silently or in a confusing manner. Note that the requirements for going from trust level 0 to level 1 are pretty minimal.
So this particular situation is completely unrelated to Akismet. When something is blocked by Akismet, the entire post is hidden and the moderators are notified of that action and will do a review. Because we are fortunate to have such dedicated moderators here, that will usually happen quickly.
Please let me know when you see this sort of thing and I'll fix it.
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I can’t do this on an iPad. I can only do this once I am editing a post.
Also a big big problem for me, how do I mark a post unread?
not exactly unread but I've found that you can bookmark (the little icon next to Reply) a post and attach a reminder for a later time
I've also found you can't use that too much...
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Sorry, but I do not care for Discourse. It seems over-complicated. I suppose it gets the job done, but overall I liked the old forum better, especially the visual presentation.
Hi,
Its a bit like Windows OS, why do I need over 20G, possibly more, just to play Solitaire!!!!
Tom..
How do I turn off notifications about this topic?
There is a button with a 
icon on it at the bottom of the page. Click that for a menu of options for notifications from the topic.
There is also a icon at the bottom of the topic navigation slider bar. Due to the fancy reactive design of Discourse, you might not have that icon.
At the end of the thread, just under the last post is a drop-down that probably says "Tracking". Change it to "Muted".
I can get used to the forum.
I DO NOT LIKE THE USE OF MY EMAIL BY POSTERS TO ASK FOR PRIVATE HELP WITH A PROJECT!!!!!
Paul
change your preferences
and you can even ban sad members who bug you or only allow specific users to send you PM. --> way better than the previous forum
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Thanks, changed Tracking to Normal, will see how it goes.
Noticed something odd.
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When looking at that thread, sometimes the ‘scroll control’ on the right completely disappears, you then need to go away from the thread before it returns. Safari on the iPad.
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On ‘some’ posts in that thread, where the images have disappeared, I can click on the edit pencil. The edit window opens, in the ‘preview window’ the missing images magically reappear. Leaving the edit window, the images once again become invisible. This is observed on only ‘some’ of the posts that have missing images.
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I do thank the staff for making the attempt to recover the lost images as these are the most important part of the posts in the thread!
I truly hope the remaining missing images can be recovered.
Web staff, Thank you for your efforts.
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Test post: I seem to have got back my username, but all my posts seem to have evaporated, and I'm back to being a noob.
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OMG, I am so confused !
Is he or isn’t he ?
You are not allowed to change your avatar !
Or is she?
Let’s see a good picture of your legs.
ctrl-scroll to zoom in ?
...and if I remove the 0x31 in the URL, I can see my posts.
Sometimes.
Grrrrr.
Legs ?
Instead of the page nr. i now look at the reply #nr and use the time bar to get really close at least (may be a few posts of due to the deleted post that are not reflected equally)
Now at least you can actually scroll through the post while replying (quick reply would not keep it's input when changing pages on the old forum)
Just humming "Daisy Bell" to myself...
So are you saying you are an artificial intelligence ?
I suspect I'm not even a natural one.
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Not sure if you've noticed but they are back
Yes a large number of them are back .
I hope the staff is working on the remainder missing images also.
Does that setting relate to personal messages within the forum, email or both
I'd hope that my eMail is kept private !!
I think it's about PM and then you have other preferences to route your PM to your eMail (which I don't use, so not sure what happens)
So would I, but email was specifically mentioned in the original post
Thank you. That seems to be what was missing.
Paul
It IS showing you as only joined 13 hours ago.
You are a SOCK puppet and I claim my prize.
No but seriously you either have another account that has to go or something did mess up !
@pert can you see or track this from the ADMIN panel ?
I have all those turned ON as a moderator but seem to be missing a lot of emails.
: 
I did only join thirteen hours ago. Haven't you seen Interstellar? I'm about to launch a drone attack on the forum.
(I can't tell if I'm replying to PMs or to forum posts. I really am p155ed about all this.)
Seriously now, I DO NOT FEEL SAFE HERE.
How does one [GO UP] or [GO DOWN] to the top or bottom of a thread - you can’t scroll from what I can see...?
Drag the date slider on the right to get to the last post, that's how I saw your post.
Can you also change the name of the "hardware category" to something like "boards" or "dev systems".
The term Hardware is for things like I/O, periphials, SPI, I2C, sendors and the like.
On your Preferences > Interface enable the Defer function and you'll see a new button at the bottom of a topic to mark it as unread.
[sarcasm]Real intuitive..[/sarcasm]
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@ MAS3
It appears that you have forgotten to activate the sarcasm font in Preferences
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Thanks.
If I do that it loads the next 'page' pof posts i that thread...
Long threads that could be hundreds of drags.
Hi,
[sarcasm]
Welcome to the forum.
Please read the post at the start of any forum , entitled "How to use this Forum".
OR
https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=712198.0
[/sarcasm]
Sorry couldn't resist, also note the old copy/paste paragraph still works too.
Tom...
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The old layout had a "show your post's" at the top of the screen which made it quick and easy to find any answers to a topic you started.
For your posts, look under you profile for ‘Activity’.
That's what I'm doing now but it was much easier the other way, I have to find a thread that I've posted in and then click my avatar to get there because it doesn't show at the top of the forum page.
That behavior is browser and platform dependent. On an iPad with safari, I also have to hunt around for an old post to get to my activity profile. On a desktop pc, I can click directly on it.
That's weird. I've my avatar at the top right. I think we need to understand why some users don't see it. Could it be related to browser or ad blockers or something else?
I just created a shortcut to "Activity" the Chrome Bookmarks bar on my PC
One click and I am there
You seem to have some sort of identity crisis:
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I give up. What is the limit ?
Nice to see a bit of discourse bought into this new forum framework..
Great job anyway!
Also why aren't there pages? Like each page will have 15 replies or so..? Cause its very long...
Not sure I approve of this...
None approve that (except, maybe, facebok maniacs )
Not adblockers, not on my PC at least, i block every ads by default, and have the bar and the icon and so ...
About another thing instead, someone mentioned that using adblock will turn this mess back in paged forum, but i have adblockplus on firefox (win7) and still have the ugly, boring endless scroll list, no pages ... someone can confirm about adblock ? ... or maybe it works only on non-win machines ?
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The new post character limit is 32000
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Not a facebook maniac but I am certainly beginning to appreciate many of the features I am coming across.
Count this as a seal of approval.
-> Ballscrewbob: I agree that some features was missed from the old forum ... and that these features are welcome in a new, more functional and serious forum ... but this one asocial-network style remains a big mess, for me.
But I do like the drag and drop for images/diagrams.
Tom....
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OK. Thanks. Then 32000 with a safety margin or is that per code block ? . In total, that example should have a total of nearly 39,000 characters.
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I did see this remark:
Maybe not just yet, but it would be good soon to have a poll entitled "would you still like to revert to the old forum"
I did quite early in the thread but very few takers and certainly not enough to make any sort of a call.
Reverting to SMF is literally off the table and will not go anywhere.
Suggest more concern is put into getting this put in order with any minor quibbles and actual bugs to be sorted out while the iron is hot.
Interesting. I did an experiment of posting some huge amount of text the other day and the pop up to tell me that it had failed said 32000 was the maximum. But I just looked at the forum settings ("max post length") and I see it's currently set to 120000. Maybe one of the admins has changed it since, or maybe that dialog was wrong.
OK, I just tried again and the pop up now says 120000, so the limit was increased by an administrator.
It looks like I can't bulk delete messages. I click the spanner/wrench at the right, it tells me that I have some selected, I click Delete Topics, a very brief popup (too short for me to read) and after that they are still there.
Firefox 87.0 on Win10
I can delete individual messages by removing my name after opening the message but that is quite some work if the list is big.
Tried, nothing happens.
Ok, this for the wrong working old code is clear ... but what about have the old style and layout on this software ? ... after all, the Discourse team, claim to have a lot of layouts and possibilities, if that is true, then must have also a layout like the old one still having the few improvements that are actually added with this software ... (or that claim was just advertising with nothing working inside 
)
I like this new forum, we must be able to do something nice and useful.
I absolutely do not like those who designed it.
They don't care about the users.
What is this functionality that as soon as we put an isolated double dot ":" immediately behind a smiley is inserted?
Unless the ":" is pasted to the previous word as in English.
Sorry but in French a space is mandatory between the word and the ":".
Remove this unnecessary functionality from the "French" forum.
For those who are still yearning for the old SMF (simple machines forum) software that, until recently, powered this site, there is this alternative, the EEV blog: Microcontrollers - Page 1 . It has not been customised in exactly the same way as the old Arduino forum, but the user experience should be sufficiently authentic for most SMF enthusiasts. Enjoy.
I think it's useful to keep --> no smiley is inserted if you don't select one; just keep on typing (except return) and the popup to select the smiley disappears
IMHO it is not useful, when I want à smiley I click in the icon bar.
I like shortcuts, I type much faster than I click and move the mouse.
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Amen to that.
Hi,
I don't mind either devices, but I must have a good tactile/clicky keyboard.
Tom...
This seems to be a recent regression, you shouldn't be able to see the bulk delete button on PMs. This is something reserved to admins only.
The correct behavior is to bulk Archive them or to remove yourself from each PM.
Will fix it next week,thanks for the report.
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I will now happily admit to being wrong.
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
Why? It's an useful feature for users as well; cleanup your inbox once a week. First archiving is an additional step that is not needed.
100+++
I can't delete the PM even after it is moved to the Archive. Cleaning up PM's is definitely useful.
and "select all" does not select all... even if you had scrolled down to load more messages.
PMs can only be deleted if they have not received a reply or if you are an admin of the site.
Normal users can only archive them (so they are no longer visible in the inbox).
Users cannot delete them because they would also be deleted for all other users who participated in the discussion.
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Uhm ... personal messager aren't supposed to be personal ? ... then, what any other user have to read in my (or your, or any other) personal messages ?
The recipient or recipients or a whole group of users to whom the PM is sent?
If you sent a PM to yourself you can delete it.
Is there any configuration to go back to the old way?
I think this version of the forum is very fanciful.
There was no discussion. People often send unsolicited requests for personal assistance to which I do not respond. I'm happy to place them in Archive never to be seen again, but this seems like piling up garbage in your garage. If discourse has unlimited server capacity to archive every unsolicited "please help me" thrown away, then feel free to pile them up somewhere out of sight.
Wait, you mean that if someone send me and a second user a PM, i cannot delete it from my PMs cause this delete it also for the other user ? ... or if i delete a PM i sent from my account, it become deleted also on the account of the user i sent it ? ... weird ...
You can globally disable PMs on your profile, or ignore/mute users or even create an allow list of users who can send you a personal message.
You can only remove yourself from the personal message (that PM will disappear from your PM list) and in case you can put the sender into the ignore or mute list on your profile.
OK so PM are not eMails, they are just restricted discussions (like forum posts) amongst 2 members
I don't want PM from random folks but would be fine and accept one from established, long tenure, trusted members and I don't want to build or maintain a list manually. Is there a way to "profile" who you accept messages from?
New users are not allowed to send PMs.
PMs can only be sent when a user reaches TL1. Admins can change this setting it they think it is appropriate.
I don't know what TL1 is.
Trust level one.
I might have missed how these are defined, I see in my preferences
Trust Level: member
That is level two. IIRC, there was a post from one of the Arduino staff way up thread with a link to the definitions and what extra privileges come with it.
Here's a link to the Discouse blog page about trust levels: https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/.
Discourse reminded me that this link has already been posted here, but it would probably take too long to scroll there. Life's too short .
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Thanks I thought I would be a regular at some point but these criteria seem weird
- Of posts created in the last 100 days, must have read 25% (capped at 20k)
- Must have received 20 likes, and given 30 likes.*
I’m unsure I like the like system it’s feels totally artificial positivism where everyone likes everyone...and I am picky for what I like.
How many posts do we get in the forum in 100 days including all the languages?
Me too. It feels a bit patronising.
I can use they keyboard shortcut g, m and it takes me right to my activity but I still have nothing on the upper right of the screen to show me as being logged in like you seem to have.
I have absolutely NO interest in whether or not someone has created a new post in the Italian, French, Russian, German, Chinese... sections.
How do I eliminate these from notifications?
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in Preferences->Categories->Mute field. but you must list all subcategories. only adding International doesn't work
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I just reached my limit for editing a post ~28 edits.
I now have to wait 24 hours before I can restart editing 
.
Making an index to the share tips and tricks thread:
Hey web staff, nothing to do ? That thread is still missing about 100 images that were lost in the conversion.
I (think) I achieved this by muting the top-level , then only enabling the subcategories I want to watch...
I agree, I can't tell either. It is unnerving that they are indistinguishable. I get the point that there's no point designing a whole different interface for private messages but there should be something that distinguishes the pubic from the private.
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Underpants?
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That ugly little system troll is going to send you a scolding email about your inappropriate clothing choices !
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Is there any way to search through a specific thread for a keyword or a user name ?
The browser search < ctrl >F sees only the currently loaded "page" and I don't see any forum search option limited to a specific thread.
The search box top/right will do that if you have the topic open
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Well, so it does. I initially dismissed that because that search bar was already there before the migration. Now there is a special option to search the currently viewed thread. It gets better all the time.
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It is still a shame that good old Ctrl+F doesn't work though
CTRL-F could maybe move the cursor to the Search input box ?
Weird. Works for me. (I assume by "works" you mean uses the browser in-page search.)
< ctrl >F used to take one to the forum search when the new forum saw the light. It might have been removed after
You can shoot me as it became clear that it is useful.
As long as I know how to search an entire thread, I am happy. The browser < ctrl >F can't do it because the thread is broken up arbitrarily, by the application, into "browser pages" so it needs some "thread aware" search at the application level to see the whole thread.
I can't see the "page source" anymore! Ctrl+U (Firefox) just shows an empty page, and what is worse: on returning to the forum page I found that's blanked out also, and there's no way to reload it!
They crippled my browser. I hate that.
Confirmed
not an issue in Safari on a Mac
Google Translate does not work anymore for pages from this forum. I wanted to have
translated, but Google returns an empty page.
They crippled Google Translate. I hate that.
Hm, I posted a link, like this:
Google Translate does not work anymore for pages from this forum. I wanted to have
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/pourquoi-0x80000000l-est-positif/850091
translated, but Google returns an empty page.
They crippled Google Translate. I hate that.but the forum shows the complete message. #fail #useless #annoying
Hi,
I copied, pasted into translate.
Got this back.
I thought 0x80000000L was negative and 0x80000000UL was positive. The program below returns me positive. Am I making a big mistake? void setup () {Serial.begin (115200); if (0x80000000L> = 0) Serial.println ("Positive"); else Serial.println ("Negative"); } void loop () {}
Tom...
The problem is in having GT translate the whole page by pasting the URL.
To prevent Discourse from showing the page preview, wrap the URL in <>:
This markup:
<https://forum.arduino.cc/t/pourquoi-0x80000000l-est-positif/850091>
Renders as:
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/pourquoi-0x80000000l-est-positif/850091
that's not what's being asked.
@Erik_Baas wanted to paste
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/pourquoi-0x80000000l-est-positif/850091
into
https://translate.google.com/#
to get the translation of the whole discussion
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Do you mean like this?
I see the same blank page.
I use the Chrome browser's built in translation feature constantly and never had a problem with that, but I guess doing it via Google Translate is not so good.
All text and other items (including this "Reply" box !) after the body of the last message on each page is jumping up and down while someone is replying. The text "</> replying..." appears and disappears every couple of seconds. I'm getting seasick.
Edit: [ tt ] tags don't work anymore either.
GT has always worked for me, this forum is the first to fail.
1: Who wrote this HTML code?
- Every red line represents the border of a "div" element, blue is a "p":
2: And where is the "Preview" button?
3: Edit: I found yet another problem, but I can't post a new message. Computer says no: "No more than 3 consecutive replies are allowed."
So then I tried to add some lines to this message. Computer says no: "You have a draft in progress for this topic." Had to have that deleted before I could write this.
4: Just found out I can't insert an empty line in my message.
Do I like the new forum? Guess....
Does anyone write HTML code anymore? I thought that was exclusively the domain of the robots these days.
There's no need for one. A live preview is shown on the right side of the post composer pane.
You'll get three more now.
Seems reasonable.
If you'll provide more details about the problem, we'll see if we can help out.
Sorry to rehash the missing images in the Tip and Tricks thread ( Share tips you have come across ) but a huge number of the images cannot be seen using Google Chrome desktop version where as Google Chrome iPad version most of the images are back (still missing are ~100 images looking with the iPad).
This is becoming a real headache, can the web staff tell me if they are aware of the image conversion problem and if it is being worked on.
I have spent over two hours today working on the thread and if no one is working on solving the problem, it would appear I am just wasting my time with the web site.
I would hope we can push that as a priority in the morning as you are not the only one suffering.
Looked at a few posts that used pictures as the main source and they all suffer badly from the lack thereof.
did you find fix ?
Confirmed on Firefox 87 (Win 10)
The script to fix missing images is already running. Given the amount of discussion in the forum it will take a while for all missing images to be restored.
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Maybe a color bar somewhere on the page? The Opera browser changes the color of the top of the page when 'open in private window' is selected.
public
private
Couldn't say if something like that's doable.
I get the following in EDGE
FF
Chrome
Only Chrome has any privacy type extensions installed.
Shoot it ... sometimes, shotguns are the more efficent bug solvers
A week with the new forum.
I think that I'm used to most of the differences; I might not always like them but I do not consider it a massive issue. The forum works well in Firefox on Win10 (though I would like < ctrl >F back to jump to the forum's search). I have not spend a lot of time in Chrome on Android, but the first impression is that it is less user friendly than the PC version; I need to spend more time with it to find my way around and form a proper opinion.
Yes, it work (for me at least), it just takes a loooooong time, both for load the source and for reload the blanked page (probably one of the 25/30 fastidious preloaded .js files that each page throw in your browser, but i'm just guessing here)
Not yet, also with .js and java blocked, still the ugly endless scroll page ... hope there's a way for kill it, but fear that there is not a really working one ...
I have no search bar on Safari.
I'm on a Mac and I've a search bar
(if this is what you call the search bar)
It might depend on the browser version if you get the full functionality; some posts seem to indicate that.
Yes, both the bar with the mini-avatar and the one under it with the 3 lines icon ... NOT as in the first red square without avatar, like the second one ...
Uhm ... a suggestion, on the old forum, clicking a link will open it in a new tab, here instead it substitute the forum page ... may be better to re-enable the open in new tab automatically, is more efficent than to have to come back every time if you have more links to open from a single page ...
I don't think that's what I am after. A private window is, so far as I know, one where the web site's details, cookies etc won't be kept. Nothing to do with whether I am sending a PM or posting a public message.
I'm still not seeing any obvious way to know if a message is private, as in a PM between me and someone else or public, as in on the forum visible to anyone.
If this is not just something simple I am overlooking please can it be dealt with by Discourse and something done to make it obvious?
Thanks,
Maybe not the most clear indication, but the envelop on the left of the message title indicates a PM
Can you not simply right click and open in new page ?
That's what I normally do.
Yes, ofcourse, is just that it was so easy the old way
In my profile preferences ? ... thanks, i missed that part, will check now
Yes, under Interface
I think I may be going snow-blind from all the whitespace.
Whitespace, where there could be, you know, information.
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Am finding the excessive white space a bit of an actual eye strain and have to go do something else as it causes a slight headache (physical)
The secondary bar with the tiny section titles look especially blurry here and I find I am leaning in towards the screen.
Just to show the "mobile friendly" credentials of the new forum, I clicked on the avatar of the author of the first topic on this thread - here is a full screenshot. (Hey! Where's preview control gone?)
Whilst better in some respects another theme somewhere between dark and the default light is something I would like to see.
Why do old threads suddenly pop to the top? Website Issue in below was last posted in in March 2020.
I think someone replied in error and then removed the post.
Revive this topic?
The last reply to this topic was about 1 year ago. Your reply will bump the topic to the top of its list and notify anyone previously involved in the conversation.
Are you sure you want to continue this old conversation?
Thanks @cattledog ; but I did not get a notification that somebody replied.
The new forum is still full of little surprises.
You could change the whitespace to dark space by changing to the dark theme, this has help my eye strain.
There are a lot of photo's missing in the [How to use this forum - please read.] guide
(How to use this forum - please read.)
The system is working its way through them, as far as I know. However, that will be seriously outdated as it was written with the old forum in mind.
No, it's sophomoric. Discourse was not designed for technical forums, it was intended as a replacement for Yahoo Groups and other discussion groups that are no longer around. As such, it's design is to the lowest common denominator of users. (I.E. the dumbest).
A spammer replied on that thread 5 hours ago. The spam reply was deleted, but it still caused a bump.
You simply set the Desktop view on your mobile device instead of the Mobile view. Open the hamburger menu and switch to mobile view
This feature has been temporarily disabled since is broken on Chrome. It will be re-enabled after refactoring the search bar.
For now you need to enable the "search this topic" option even if ctrl+F should work for searching inside a topic
This is a known issue already reported to Mozilla 1647942 - Performance of 'view source' on Discourse forums is unacceptable (mozilla.org). We did a bump.
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We are working right now on an updated version of this. Once that is done and published, I'll add a link to the top of Nick Gammon's excellent guide pointing to its replacement.
Un-bump it
Anyway, I would have expected a notification that a new reply was made.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the feedback. Can't wait.
Anyone know why I suddenly have hundreds of new topics that are all actually OLD topics ?
Appears to have happened over the last 4 hours or so.
@Ballscrewbob please provide a link to some of the topics and I'll investigate.
I did not experience this thing you report. I have noticed that I get notifications for old topics when they are moved from one category to another, but I haven't done any mass moves today.
They were spread over all the sections.
have just finished clearing them from the NEW category so cannot point to any in particular
EDIT they are also creeping into my UNREAD too !
Also had to clear those.
Starting with the counters reset right now.
That article is actually titled "Performance of 'view source' on extremely long lines is unacceptable". There is indeed a rather long line in the source of this page: 399.402 bytes when saved as text with Notepad, 798.806 bytes when saved as Unicode. Absurd, especially since it all starts with
<div class="hidden"So don't blame Mozilla.
That is what I'm talking about but I don't have that on the top of the page, I only have the green section below it with the three horizontal white lines. (Safari 12.1.2)
I get the search bar in any other browser I have(Chrome,Firefox and Opera) I have on my computer.
There is a dedicated topic where this problem is being discussed here:
The single most important improvement to the forum would be if that first time posters are required to first read a short page about how to post. So much time and bandwidth is wasted because we don't have that.
I wonder if the trust feature could be used as a gateway - make user read 'how to post' etc. before posting privileges are granted.
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There is a mechanism somewhat like what you describe.
A message is shown on the post composer pane during their first two posts:
Welcome to Arduino Forum — thanks for starting a new conversation!
- Does the title sound interesting if you read it out loud? Is it a good summary?
- Who would be interested in this? Why does it matter? What kind of responses do you want?
- Include commonly used words in your topic so others can find it. To group your topic with related topics, select a category (or tag).
For more, see our community guidelines. This panel will only appear for your first 2 posts.
There is a related mechanism as well:
When first entering the site after signing up, new users see a screen overlay that directs them to read a "Greetings" PM from @discobot:
This PM invites them to participate in an interactive tutorial about the basics of using the forum.
Now, none of that is currently Arduino-specific, but it does cover the things that are universal to every forum. It is also possible to customize any of it.
The quote:
The Arduino Forum is now completely renovated (and it’s so nice)
obviously uses a much different definition of the term, "so nice," than the one I know. This new forum format is a pathetically broken FUPOS. (I am NOT going to define that - look it up.)
Forum posts are missing important pictures and illustrations. E.g.:
Flyback diodes and why you need them
Forum posts that include code are missing text in the code (such as file names within angle brackets in #include statements.) E.g. (note the include statements in the poster's code):
Finally Got ATtiny85 Watchdog Interrupt to Work During Sleep-mode
These are two problems that I know of. I can only wonder what else might be broken.
What was wrong with the previous forum format, anyway? Remember the motto emblazoned on the coat-of-arms of Lord Havelock Vetinari:
Si non confectus, non reficiat.
Sage advice, indeed.
Please get rid of this so-called "completely renovated" (but completely broken) forum format and bring the previous working one back.
And why did my post above highlight part of the first link in green? I cannot get rid of that green highlight!
Edit: I see that the mysterious green highlighting is gone now. I have no idea what that was about.
Is there a "feature request" thread for the new and "improved" forum?
I would like to request that the sig file be turned on.
We are told that the work is in progress to fix this:
This has been reported already and we are told that the fix is in progress:
However, I see that "several hours" were mentioned, but that was a week ago.
@dax1 do you know anything about the progress of that reformatting effort?
I just went ahead and fixed that one. What I've noticed is that all I need to do is edit the post, then save the edit and it is automatically fixed. I don't actually need to make any changes to the post itself. So it's easy enough to fix a single post, but of course it's not feasible to do this on a forum global scale one post at a time. That said, if you do need a specific post fixed, you can feel free to flag it or message me and I'll help out.
There is an explanation here:
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/do-you-like-the-new-forum/847695/177?u=pert
Not that I'm aware of. you're welcome to start one.
My personal preference would be that we have a separate topic for each distinct feature request, rather than some unmanageable mile long topic like this one, but the interested parties are free to handle it as they think best.
My research indicates that Discourse intentionally does not have native support for signatures:
I've never been a fan of them myself.
The image in my post, above, shows sig in Discourse, so it is possible.
If you don't like sigs, you can turn them off.
There seems to be some AI that tries to recognise code and add triple backticks when it thinks that something is code. I'm not sure if it's the case, but if it is, it's buggy. Maybe it's an idea to modify that AI and if it recognises code without code tags or without single backticks let it inform the poster?
Do you have an example of some content that will trigger this system?
I get plenty of notification on messages I've already seen and it seems the only thing that changed is at the bottom and there is a crypting
what does it mean to be Listed and Unlisted?
It means what it says. The topic was marked unlisted, ie invisible, then later marked as listed again
It seems that a number of topics were accidentally marked as unlisted and that once the mistake was recognised they were made listed again.
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OK thx
I was confused by the "unlisted" term.
From The difference between Closed, Unlisted and Archived topics - moderators - Discourse Meta
So "unlisted" means that the topic is not shown in the topic listings but anyone with the URL of the topic can still access it and participate.
thanks @pert
Not fully checked myself but seems that pictures are finally arriving and settling into thier old homes.
If anyone has posts that involved pics you should check them !
Thanks to LarryD for the heads up
Thanks more so to the teams in the back room for making it happen.
yes I have seen that over the last few days for my former posts or tutorials.
keep cranking, it's improving !
The engineer confirms the script to fix missing images is still running, rebake all posts is a very long process. Currently we are at ~ 75% of the process.
The script is fixing them in chronological order, starting with the oldest.
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When I migrated my personal MediaWiki from a Raspberry Pi to an Intel NUC, it took more than two days to migrate all of the images. I am not surprised to see it take days for moving what must be terabytes of images.
I would be curious to learn how big the database for the forum actually is.
E.g. Problem getting the programme to work ; partially in code tags. AI or user error?
So we are into the last 1/4 million LOL
Hi @dax1. I apologize if I wasn't clear. The "reformatting effort" I was asking about is the one alranel mentioned in this reply:
That is about the corruption of code in code blocks during the migration of the content from the old forum. The text wrapped in <>, which is in a lot of the code shared here due to #include directives using them, is not shown.
An example:
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/lcd-i2c-does-not-work-checklist/637380
In Markdown, there are two different ways to get code blocks.
My favorite, and the one used by the post composer's </> button is the "fenced code block", where you put a ``` at the line above and below the text you want to be in the code block.
https://www.markdownguide.org/extended-syntax/#fenced-code-blocks
```
// code block here
```
The other way to get a code block is by adding a blank line and then indenting the text by four spaces:
https://www.markdownguide.org/basic-syntax/#code-blocks
text here
// code block here
So what happens is that if people don't use code blocks then any part of the code that happens to have a preceding blank line and be indented by four or more spaces is put in a code block. There's no "AI" involved, there's no detection of code, this is just the standard behavior of a Markdown parser.
People not posting code properly has always been a problem, but it's even more of a problem now because there are three different markup languages (BBCode, Markdown, HTML) that the raw code might happen to emulate instead of only one.
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It's the same script that is fixing even the code issue.
However, as an admin or moderator, you can do a quick manual fix using the Rebuild HTML button on post:
Now the code is fixed for me, LCD I2C does not work! checklist
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Extra work for the moderators Can it be automated?
Forgot about that one. So no AI so no way to block it
This is an intentional design choice to leave the bump in place. As users can, by default, delete their own posts, the bump is there to help ensure moderators see bumped topics even if the user self-deletes.
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I'm wondering what HTML and BBCodes had of so bad that someone had to invent a more complicated, unintuitive and uncomfortable way for make basically the same things that HTML and BBCode tags was already doing well like Markdowns ... no, seriously, not for be polemic, is a serious question ...
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I'm not the inventor of Markdown, but I believe the goal was to make it easier to type, and read, without the need for [] or <> all over the place. I, personally, happen to agree that typing this:
* Item 1
* Item 2
* Item 3
* Item 4
is easier than this:
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<ul>
<li>Item 3</li>
</ul>
<li>Item 4</li>
</ul>
to generate this:
- Item 1
- Item 2
- Item 3
- Item 4
But, not everyone agrees, so we support all 3 - Markdown, BBCode, and HTML - options.
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this indeed makes it a bit more complicated for some stuff, but I like having the 3 options to format the posts in the best possible way.
We fought for years against posts without code tags, so I don't care much about how ugly or useless those posts end up to be post migration (as long as [code]...[/code] is properly managed)
Agreed. I don't personally use BBCode much. I tend to default to Markdown, but there are times I use HTML, like if I want to make a fancier table than Markdown supports.
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This is ok, but there are some problems when you try to use , as example, minor or major symbols (the ones around HTML code) alone in a text, and the forum delete them and make unwanted actions instead to print them ... for example, typing "> name:" (a standard form for address a reply to "name", vastly used), i get
name: (lack of ">" character and shifted text) ... not last all the part of codes that was turned in other things just cause they have "include ... " in them ...
Ofcourse the shifted block of text is NOT that what is expected, it resemble the citation of something from you, that ofcourse is not ... and so on ...
At least the support for HTML tags explains that things like Press <ctrl><alt><del> do not result in what one expects.
Not quite the way to suppress invalid/unknown html tags
too bad for windows users
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In these cases you can use the </> button even inline to render > name:
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... tried to type <ctrl>,<alt> and <del> together, but nothing happened on my win, are you sure it's the right command ? ...
(sorry, just can't resist )
And you think that someone who has been programming for decades didn't doesn't think the same about YAML?
I'm not a professional programmer, i just written some HTML sites in the past (lot of years ago), with notepad, when you had to type everything by fingers, no precompiled modules like now ... maybe is just for this that i feel myself more comfortable typing all the codes as i was used to do in the past ...
Want to be fancy? Press CtrlAltDel
Press <kbd>Ctrl</kbd><kbd>Alt</kbd><kbd>Del</kbd>
For security reasons we suppress any HTML tag not in the allowlist. Not all HTML is supported.
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This at least is good, some tags must not be permitted ... just trying to imagine what damages a malicious (or also just inexperienced) user can do if class of tags like script or applet or similar others was permitted ...
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Press
cool stuff
Like all changes, this will take time to get used to. I usually like change when it makes life better or solve known problems. May be there were real issues to solve, but I was not aware of these. I was a happpy user.
I am not too concerned about the site looking "fresh". So I am not sure about what this change is delivering to be in terms of improved experience.
What I am worried about is speed and capacity.
Getting on board tonight took nearly 2 hours of attempts and 502 and 504 gateways errors. I would rather have a fast forum that looks a bit dated than a fresh looking one that runs slow.
Any
Oh, there it is. I have been looking for it for ages.
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I´m trying to have topics i participated in updated and have the software to notify me whenever there´s a new post or an other update to any of those threads (it's quite a struggle to get that done by the way).
I noticed that the software doesn´t seem to handle linked images.
I like to link to image sources whenever i post images i found elsewhere (by way of acknowledging that source and their rights).
In below post, which worked fine before (i do proofread and test links before posting), you can see what happened to that if you take a look at the pictures and the mess that is now with them.
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Fixed that post. As noted previously in the topic there are background tasks running to "rebake" old posts. The import itself brought the content in, the rebake ensures the formatting is correct. Other posts you have should be fixed as the process continues.
What makes this a struggle? I might be able to suggest a more efficient method.
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I get or do not get notified.
Threads i manually set to be notified, are reset to another "notification level" and have to be reset by me.
I'll miss updates this way on the long term.
I see a number of unread replies, but upon clicking "unread", there's nothing in the list (except LarryD's excellent "Share tips you have come across" thread, which is being constantly "rebuilt" at the moment).
Then, not immediately but after some time and unknown why, "unread" resets to (1).
I'll read and track all messages (well, since i joined that is) in the Dutch (Netherlands) "category", but the threads in there are all over the place indicating there's something new about that thread or not.
Threads indicating news do not have anything new in them (which includes edits unless some edits are invisible (by a coloured pencil icon), and do not have pictures or codes to be corrected).
Setting notifications on certain categories do not include sub-categories, so you have to set them, and after that you have to set the main category (again).
I had to set this very thread to watching more than twice because for some reason it reset (after i was made aware of the keyboard shortcuts that might invoke such setting).
I don't know what else will be going on with these notifications, i'm close to giving up on this all.
On the subject of notifications.
On the old forum notification options were radio button style, ie. mutually exclusive. I'm now getting duplicates in personal email and on my avatar in the forum. There was also a checkbox to be notified only of the first reply to a thread, subsequent replies were blocked. Currently I'm getting multiple emails for the same thread.
Did I miss a setting/button somewhere?
I'll demonstrate: after typing this line I will press 'Enter' twice.
In this textbox is now an empty line between this one and the previous one. In the preview box it is not there, and you can also not see it in this message when it is posted.
.
Edit: right after clicking 'Save" I saw two lines of bold red text, probably some error message. Couldn't read it in the 0.1 seconds it was on my screen.
PS.: Added a dot to force an "empty" line.
I do see the intended empty line in your reply, @Erik_Baas (* new issue detected ?
I also see the singledot line.
These are both in the edit field, the preview field of this answer, as well in your answer above.
(* new issue ? : @Erik_Baas will only pop up in the pick list after typing the underscore, before that all kinds of Erics will show there, including ones which also have an underscore next to "erik"
Do you mean this empty line?:
If so, I can see it just fine.
I'm checking with the migration engineer to confirm what, if at all, the migration can impact the notification level. It's possible some of the background tasks could impact this.
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Thanks for that.
I got caught out with a storm of notifications last night that ended up with me dropping a bomb on the forum that @pert had to rectify.
Today seems to be OK.
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Can you share more details on the notification storm? Feel free to shoot me a PM.
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Yes, and in the mean time I found out what the cause is: the empty line is not in the HTML code (< br >), but depends on the top- and bottom margins of the < p > elements. Pressing 'Enter' simply closes the current paragraph (< p >) and starts a new one.
You also don't seem to be able to put more than one blank line between sections.
(there should be three blank lines there, but I only see one. This is semi-standard* white space compression *(I bet the extra spaces between the stars don't show up either...) I don't really see it as a problem, and I'm sure there are other ways to get explicit whitespace.
But it is different.
Three
blank
lines
is the magic.
I think thee needs to be some space or different background between posters and then some padding in the side.
Hi,
Can we have an icon next to the name of the OP of a thread, so as we read through we can identify whom is the Author.
Similar to Facebook.
Tom...
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I'm missing the maker/indicator on the topics I have started or participated in.
Also the date of a topic. I want absolute dates, not N days ago. It's easier to find old topics.
You're not the first one to ask for names instead of avatars/icons.
On this page
I see e.g.
There are however a number of software sections (e.g. main category Software as well as (sub) categories spanish/software or italian/software).
Can it be made clearer and add the main category where the sub forum is displayed? Something like [x]Italiano [x]Software instead of just [x]Software.
Did we ever get an answer to this, namely a visible indication of the user's logged on status ?
This is not quite what you want, but close
Click on the users avatar next to a post then click on the larger avatar that appears and you will see something like this
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OK. Thanks. Seen "recently" is good enough form me.
Yes, I authorised PM but you need to be motivated to do so
(I don't like PM, they usually come from lazy students who don't want to do their homework)
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Make up your mind you are either Kelibob or Helibob LOL
I guess this is partly due to the missing signature text feature where, previously, you could add automatically text such "Please don't PM me with technical questions" to all posts.
Having said that, @TomGeorge seems to have found a solution:
The forum software seems to be in 2 minds as to what my name should be. I promise you that I am not doing anything to cause the occasional change of name
What did I do?????
Tom...
You have apparently found a way of adding a trailer or signature to your posts.
Hi,
Why can't I post more than 3 consecutive replies?
I'm trying to help a thread that has conveniently listed his questions in point from, and its convenient to answer each in a new post.
Tom...
Are you replying to the topic or replying to a post ?
Hi,
Replying to a post that the OP had posted, with quite a few questions, that basically needed individual replies.
Tom..
There is a site setting for max consecutive replies. Defaults to 3 (as you found out). Intent is to discourage users from posting multiple consecutive replies and instead taking advantage of quoting. For example:
Answer 1
Answer 2
Answer 3
Answer 4
This setting can of course be modified by the admin team should they wish to do so.
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Does that restriction also apply to moderators as a quick test in TEST shows that I can reply to a post more than 3 times. and is replying to a topic handled differently than replying to a post ?
It does not. Site staff (moderators and admins) are exempt from most restrictions.
It is not. Max of 3 replies, regardless of who/what they're in reply to.
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Thank you
I have a non mod account that I use for testing but, of course, it can't get to the TEST section and I don't want to put test messages in the general forum for obvious reasons !
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There's already a one-pixel line between posts.
Another example of treating the users badly. We're educated people here, not Grandma on Facebook.
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Well, then, perhaps alternating shading or something
I'll respectfully disagree. The software isn't treating anyone badly. It's encouraging a certain type of usage, as any software does. Does Twitter treat users badly by limiting tweet length?
The goal is to encourage civilized discussion. So the min character count exists to encourage users to click 
rather than reply "Me too!" The consecutive reply limit exists to encourage quoting and ensure one person doesn't dominate a topic and waits for others to share their thoughts.
Discourse, the software, is open source. It's used by sites across the spectrum of the internet. No one is saying the arduino forum is filled with uneducated people. Discourse comes with defaults that we feel work best on most sites, and encourages what we feel is civilized discussion. But they're just that, defaults. Site admins can, and are encouraged to, modify settings as needed for their site. Discourse, the software, and CDCK, the team behind it, have no control over individual sites. Nor should we. Admins are empowered to make the site settings work for their site, as arduino already has by modifying, for example, the min post count. Perhaps the max consecutive reply limit should be changed here. That's a discussion that should be had with the site staff.
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Me too!
One point I have just noticed on the Forum is when your in a thread and start to scroll down the menu bar with "Categories Latest New etc" scrolls off the screen, so when you want to move out of the thread, say this long one then you have to scroll all the way to the top to click on New or Latest.
Could this bar stay put or maybe place the "Categories Latest New etc" into the very top bar which is mostly empty next to Professional | Education | Store.
This happens on PC Desktop version.
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If the new forum did not remove features that we enjoyed in the CMS forums, we wouldn't feel so badly treated.
For example, there's not been a reply limit before. And we can't use sig files. I'm sure others can add to the list of what has been taken from us.
No longer can we reply:
YES
NO
Even my desktop has mobile view. My window is twice as wide as the forum. Where is true desktop-view?
I end up clicking on the 'FORUM' and that makes it re-appear.
But on this forum, we have very few actual 'discussions' , OK about the use of 'String' and c-string, and safestring, we can have a discussion... but generally 1 or 2 people may end up helping the same issue, sometimes more people of course, but that is not really a discussion. In this kind of forum, karma makes sense, but badges and love hearts, well .. as i said it's not a discussion.
I have a question now. I like to include references in posts, and it works but ,
When there is no preview available, it actually shows up like this
in my post. Now i can do the same thing as in the old forum and i found the button, but sometimes i would like something like on the right (the preview), but just the title of the page in the rectangle, without the apology. How would i manage that ?
The best improvement is get rid of this Waste of Time.
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This is what happened just now when I pasted some code in the edit box:
const int threshold = 400; // an arbitrary threshold level that's in the range of the analog input
// Set up Timer Control Registers. See ATmega328P data sheet section 15.11 (Remember, bits are numbered from zero.)
TCCR1A = B00000000; // All bits zero for "normal" port operation.
TCCR1B = B00001100; // Bit 3 is Clear Timer on Compare match (CTC) and bit 2 specifies a divide by 256 prescaler.
TIMSK1 = B00000010; // Bit 1 to raise an interrupt on timer Output Compare Register A (OCR1A) match.
Lines in between the code tags are broken, impossible to read (let alone edit). There should be a horizontal scrollbar!!
The preview however shows one long line of text!!
Also: any text in angle brackets is not shown at all, like this: .
Unless you add a space after the first brace: < sample text>.
This software is not good. (/understatement)
Okay, I know that code tags MUST be on a line of their own, but who's going to explain that to every single newbee?
On my PC i see no lines (Firefox, win7, default theme)
(except if the line is white as the background, thing that i cannot see anyway )
"GoForSmoke is replying". I don't need to know that. My screen is jumping up and down each time they pause typing...
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When I click on Unread, I see every damned post on the forum that I have not read. What a USELESS, 'RETENTIVE' MESS to go through that We Did Not Have To Slog Through Before.
I think the lines ARE white/light grey... I had to switch back from a dark theme to see them.
I don't know why, but for some reason this has been the only forum that strains my eyes in its default theme.
It's a VERY light gray, like RGB 254,254,254
Firefox tells me there's 1 reply to message #961, according to Chrome there are two. Probably some failing piece of Javascript. Unreliable.
The "desktop/mobile" view on the hamburger menu is visible only on mobile devices.
To activate/disable the mobile view on desktop you can append ?mobile_view=1 to the url, like so: https://forum.arduino.cc/?mobile_view=1 — to switch back to desktop use ?mobile_view=0.
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Yes, it's visible also on touchscreen devices
That's due to < and > being used to denote HTML tags. Note my earlier reply.
< sample text > is not a HTML tag. You suppress anything that's between braces, thus making it impossible to use these in any text.
Agreed, <sample text> is not an HTML tag. However, as it is possible for users, malicious or unintentional, to cause security issues with HTML, we have to use an allowlist. It's too easy to forget to add a tag, or have a new HTML tag be supported by browsers, to use a blocklist.
FYI use a backslash to escape the > if you need to. Or surround it with back ticks to make it code.
Ex. <sample text\> or `<sample text>`
From this statement, I guess you have already considered this solution, but I'll share it anyway just in case I guessed wrong. You can define any custom text you would like to linkify via the markup.
The old BBCode way:
[url=https://www.arduino.cc/reference/en/language/functions/math/map/]the `map()` reference page[/url]
Or using Markdown:
[the `map()` reference page](https://www.arduino.cc/reference/en/language/functions/math/map/)
Renders as:
the map() reference page
I don't think there will be any impact from this change for newcomers.
They are going to be using the </> button, and that button puts the markup on its own line.
It's only for the people who had established certain habits of using BBCode in the old forum that this is a difficult change. But those same people are the ones who will see the posts where the problem has been explained and adjust their use of forum markup.
I don't see how hearts are any less applicable than karma is. Hearts are a way of giving positive feedback to someone without generating noise in the thread, just the same as karma was.
I am not too interested in badges, but they are displayed on their own dedicated page, so each forum member can choose to pay attention to them or ignore them as they see fit.
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The hearts don't carry the same weight as karma in my books.
I give away hearts in FB all the time whereas I gave away karma for good reasons.
Do believe there is a valid point but I doubt if karma will ever return.
Even the discourse staff seem to indicate it is more for "likes"
Technically and philosophically they are two different entities.
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This community can assign any meaning to the heart we like. It's just an arbitrary symbol. This isn't Facebook.
I am using hearts in exactly the same manner I used karma, both giving and receiving. The only difference is that I now have more fine grained feedback regarding which of my actions were considered helpful by others. Before, you had no real way of knowing which actions were triggering someone to give a "karma".
I agree. Label the "Heart" whatever makes the most sense, or change the image to thumbs up or whatever, but as a replacement for Karma, the specificity is very good.
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Also, I think it only does the extensive preview if the link is on a line by itself, like:
But not if the link is on a line with other text, like: Do you like the new forum? - #958 by Deva_Rishi
Yeah i found that i had been clicking the wrong button to 'auto-generate' It's that linky thing.
To the map function ends up looking the same as before.
and if the preview is available.
A cool feature I like
If you did not try this yet (works at least on a Mac) if you screen grab a region of the screen into the copy/paste buffer (don’t create the file) and just paste (cmd V) It in the post area, it does the right thing, your image is uploaded and displayed.
When it comes to tags and some symbols needing to be escaped, we do that all the time in C or C++ strings for special characters like quote or when we want to say carriage return or new line etc... so I don’t think it’s a massive issue for us programmers to get used to that quickly and it will just impact newbies, mostly in posting codes and #include when they don’t use the code tag... we will have to tell them to fix those, as we had to do in the past anyway...
I don't know if this has been mentioned. I like the write and preview tabs found on GitHub.
Having a permanently active preview half-page may be helpful, but it distracts me.
Having an explicit preview method, tab, or function switches my mind also to 'preview' mode.
This leads to less typos remaining.
But the new forum is quite good in my view; we just need to learn how to use it and adapt it to or change our customs.
Works on Windows as well Do you like the new forum? - #22 by sterretje
gee #22.... I'm late to the party!
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That is the main reason for the born of so-called BBCode (with square brackets instead HTML ones) ... tags like HTML, but reserved for the use in forums, and that cannot allow malicious users to insert or execute malicious codes via HTML tags, simply treating the HTML brackets as common text, not as code ... that way you can insert every HTML code, also the more dangerous, and it will simply printed as text instead being executed
Same way, is the main reason for NOT use markdowns, cause most of the characters that are "interpreted" as commands from markdown, are common text and/or programming characters (and in some countries are typed commonly as part of the text) ... there was at least one good reason for the BBCode become so used
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this "A great discussion includes many voices and perspectives. Can you get anybody else involved? And don’t forget, if you’d like to continue your conversation with this particular user at length outside of public view, send them a personal message."
should be turned off. It is not how we operate here.
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- Code box is too tall and not resizable anymore.
- Code box has no "Select" link anymore.
- Pressing Ctrl+A in code box highlights all text on page. Useless.
there is one that appears to copy the code
(I'd like an option to see the code in a separate tab, it's true it's not resizable )
There is a small 'copy' icon in the right top of the code box when you place your mouse in the code box.
Grabbing doesn't work for me for graphics - text, yes. With win10 snip tool - create snip then <ctrl><v> in editing window. I didn't know it would do that.
on a Mac it's a key combination to trigger the screen capture
(To copy a screenshot to the Clipboard, press and hold the Control key while you take the screenshot)
Even nicer if you want to paste a series of captured images is < WinKey>< v> which lets you choose which previously captured image to paste
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Same on Windows. The Windows button combined with 'Print Screen' takes a screenshot.
No need for the WinKey, just use "Print Screen"
Print Screen will take the whole screen - I guess the idea is to only grab what's relevant (one window, a small part of the screen)
but that's the idea anyway and being able to paste directly without going to a file is cool
Alt+PrtScr grabs only the currently active application.
Ctrl+Z does not work as expected: press it once and all your work is gone. Ctrl+Y restores it, but that's not the way these keys should work. (Firefox, Windows 7/64). I like this new forum less and less.
Agreed, but
Is not quite correct, is it ?
Ctrl+Z works OK here
Win 10, Chrome
The great thing about w10 'pictures' is that it has a crop function built in. Ok so ideally you would just want to select a part with your mouse and print that, well i suppose someone should just build an app for that.
Ooooh! Nifty!
You know i haven't said anything about the layout yet, but what would be an improvement for me would be if i could change the font-size independently of the zoom. Basically i would want the font to be smaller, there is just not quite enough information i can see on my screen at once. Also i don't need the preview there all the time, and i can hide it but that doesn't provide me with extra writing or reading space. I can not slide the reply window to the side to make way for reading more of the post i am replying to. Basically i want a more efficient layout that can contain more information. This must be possible. You know this is a forum which due to it's nature sometimes requires people to respond fairly lengthy addressing different questions and or clarifications. So i would request to create as much space as possible, keeping in mind that the main users of this forum use a desktop or laptop for communication (though that shouldn't matter, a website should be able to figure out what we use and optimize for that.) Anyway if we can make the font smaller, the buttons smaller etc, then by zooming we can create more space, which will make it easier to respond accurately. When people post code i many times request them to clean up excess comments and useless empty lines. Actually it is mad, that when i hide the preview, my typing window stays the same size. ?? That just is the maximum size ? To make matters worse, when i hit fullscreen-composer window i get it top to bottom, but there should easily be enough space for the thread and the composer window to be side by side. Not on a phone of course, but one of the reasons i don't do much on my phone is that tiny little F%^%^$ screen on which you can see hardly anything particularly when half of it gets taken up by a keyboard, so it's not for phone users.
That's what I used in Do you like the new forum? - #992 by dougp
Have you used up your monthly quota of paragraphs
I played around with CSS for a bit and this is what I have now (original left, modified right):
Basically I removed a lot of margins, added a thin line between the messages, and colored the background of the top bar of each message. It was done in userContent.css, so anyone using Firefox an copy the code. Which I will post after it's cleaned up a bit.
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Also changed the front page a little bit:
/* For Firefox users. Add to userContent.css: */
div.latest-topic-list-item {padding: 3px!important;}
div.category-logo img {width: 15px!important;}PS.: Avatars don't show at all because I AdBlocked them. ;-p
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Have you tried to change the font size on your Forum profile > Preferences > Interface?
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Found another bug: I was reading msg. #1007 of this topic, and the thingy on the right of my screen only lets me scroll from 997 to 999. That does not change after pressing PgDn etc.
That means there are deleted posts within the topic. As of your reply, there are 1002 visible posts. However, there are a total of 1011 posts, including deleted. Not much we can do about that without the time line skipping numbers.
The post count isn't usually displayed on each post, so it's not typically this noticable.
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